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Re: New position search page
Reply #19 - 12/15/24 at 23:57:07
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When I search for the position arising after 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 c5 4.Ngf3 Nf6 5.exd5, I get six results, but the games from 2001 and 2002 aren't accessible when I click on the list. Instead, a page opens with a yellow box containing the message: 

"The page you've asked may have been removed, or perhaps never existed. Please check your spelling or try another page on our site from the navigation bar."

Investigating a bit further, I found that the game from 2001 (Dritan-Brynell, EuTCh 2001-06-11) can be accessed via the November 2001 French update. In contrast, the 2002 game (Kveinys-Brynell, Bundesliga 2001-2) is in the April 2002 update, but there's no link to reach the pop up with the game and Neil McDonald's notes. Apparently the links were discontinued with the February 2002 update.

I noticed that the date of the Kveinys-Brynell game was given in the search results as "2002-24-02" instead of the correct 2002-02-24. I'm not sure if this is a factor.

Looking a bit more, I tried a couple of other games by Brynell as Black. Wedberg-Brynell, ch-SWE 2001-01-07 turns up in the search when I enter the first eleven moves, but clicking on the result in the search list produces the error message in the yellow box. The game is accessible from the July 2001 French update.

On the other hand, the search fails to find McShane-Brynell, Bundesliga 2000-1 09-12-2000 when I enter the moves to the game. I know it was in the ChessPublishing archive at some point because I downloaded the PGN and saved it to a database.

Since the position search function is a beta version, It's unreasonable to expect it to work perfectly. I'm mentioning the above findings in case they're helpful in improving this already useful feature. At the moment, it does seem that some games from the early days of ChessPublishing are falling through the cracks.
  
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Re: New position search page
Reply #18 - 11/21/24 at 11:11:29
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Love the position search directly on the site.  Great convenience and resource.  Thanks!
  
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Re: New position search page
Reply #17 - 11/04/24 at 14:23:21
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Very useful addition, awesome job Tony!  Cheesy
  
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Re: New position search page
Reply #16 - 10/29/24 at 08:58:02
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/26/24 at 08:15:56:
I originally assumed the position search would only include the moves played in the actual games, so I was a little surprised to see that it also uses all the variations from the PGN games in its database, and thus includes all the games mentioned in the sub variations as well.
However, I've actually found this quite useful myself, what do others think? Undecided


Please keep the variations in the index. It's useful !
  

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Re: New position search page
Reply #15 - 10/27/24 at 07:15:23
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/26/24 at 08:15:56:
includes all the games mentioned in the sub variations

That's precisely what makes it useful.
  
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Re: New position search page
Reply #14 - 10/27/24 at 01:01:31
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Tony - Like you, I've found the search feature's ability to find a position in both games and variations to be of great value. This is especially the case when games have a great many variations, such as those in the ChessPublishing sections. Before you introduced the search feature, I had difficulties in determining if a specific position had been analyzed because ChessBase would only search the games, and not the variations. ChessBase support informs me that their software should do both, but so far their suggestions haven't produced the desired results.
  
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Re: New position search page
Reply #13 - 10/26/24 at 08:15:56
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I originally assumed the position search would only include the moves played in the actual games, so I was a little surprised to see that it also uses all the variations from the PGN games in its database, and thus includes all the games mentioned in the sub variations as well.
However, I've actually found this quite useful myself, what do others think? Undecided
  
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Re: New position search page
Reply #12 - 10/26/24 at 08:08:11
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Yes, that's weird. Max's notes are incredibly detailed so there may have been a problem converting the PGN game into the HTML for the popup game because of its size, so either the program removed some variations or I did, I can't remember which.
Anyway, I don't think there will be that many similar missing sub variations.
  
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Re: New position search page
Reply #11 - 10/24/24 at 18:26:41
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hicetnunc - I did the position search and also found the Riazantsev-Carlsen game among the results. Like you, I did not see the position in that game when I clicked on it from the search results. However, when I used ChessBase to look at the PGN version of the game that I downloaded early this year, I saw that there were seven alternatives to 5.cxd5 that were analyzed by Max Illingworth. Among these was 5.e3 dxc4 6.Bc4 b5, transposing to the position in your search. I don't know why this large section of annotations has been excluded in the version of the game that we directly access on the ChessPublishing site. Perhaps Tony can weigh in on what's happening.
  
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Re: New position search page
Reply #10 - 10/24/24 at 15:52:48
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It looks like there are some indexing mistakes in the database. Today I looked for the following position and the game Riazantsev-Carlsen, rapid 2016 was referenced, while it doesn't feature the position, neither in the main line, nor in the notes :

https://photos.app.goo.gl/jnnvF6NEN4ipJGVYA
  

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Re: New position search page
Reply #9 - 10/22/24 at 21:42:09
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All is solved! I simply ran CCleaner, and the page now loads up fine. Cheesy
  
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Re: New position search page
Reply #8 - 10/22/24 at 16:38:32
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It's working fine on a nearby friend's PC, so it's a mystery to me why it isn't on this laptop! I get the basic screen, but no move arrows below the board or move info in the box to the right of the board. 

https://www.chesspublishing.com/content/search-position.htm
  
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Re: New position search page
Reply #7 - 10/22/24 at 10:58:32
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It's a great resource, replacing the defunct gingerbase position search.

Is it working for you right (here and) now, hicetnunc?
  
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Re: New position search page
Reply #6 - 10/22/24 at 10:35:06
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It's a great resource, replacing the defunct gingerbase position search. I've renewed my subscription  Smiley

It would be nice to have a direct way to download the pgn(s) from the explorer though.
  

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Re: New position search page
Reply #5 - 10/22/24 at 07:57:50
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Wonderful resource! Except that this morning it seems not to be working, or is it just me?
  
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