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Reply #232 - 03/16/06 at 14:41:40
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Dear Lev,

Before this goes any further please take note that I don't intend on entering a lengthy discussing based on futile bickering and name calling. I know you have been involved in many such feuds in the past and I want no part of it! 
 
As regards 1. ...h5?, here is what you had to say about it :

[quote author=Lev D. Zilbermints link=1119806620/30#44 date=1121582603][quote author=ArKheiN  link=1119806620/40#42 date=1121531660]

1 e4 h5 may not be such a bad move. I have seen players play ...h5 in the Caro-Kann Defense with success, so it is not necessarily a bad idea.

  LDZ
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In my opinion you were closer to the truth when you posted this.
An early ...h5 makes no sense combined with a kingside fianchetto, unless it's in response to an h4 flank attack.

As for the pawn blunder I was referring to, it occurs after a sequence of moves with which you may be familiar : 1. d4 Ktf6 ; 2. Ktc3 d5 ; 3. e4

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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #231 - 03/16/06 at 14:10:00
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Wait a minute.  I don't recall dicussing 1 e4 h5 2 d4 c5 3 c3  in the first place!  This is ridiculous!
If you must play the line, at least do it in a sensible manner, viz., 1 e4 h5 2 d4 g6  3 c3 d6  4 d4 Bg7

Now where is the pawn being blundered on move 3 ?
  
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Reply #230 - 03/16/06 at 12:28:32
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[quote author=Bonsai link=1119806620/30#43 date=1121564957][quote author=ArKheiN  link=1119806620/40#42 date=1121531660].

And look at this great opening:
1.e4 h5 2.d4 c5 3.c3 [/quote]

After 3. d5, 3. dc or other moves, Black has a senseless version of the Benoni or Sicilian (what is the -h pawn doing on the 5th rank?).
I must agree with LDZ on this issue (!!). Black should play by analogy with the Caro-Kann.
2. ...c6 is the best move to keep the Black disadvantage within reasonable limits.
But of course the only consistant move is 2. ...h4 when 3. Ktf3 (3. Ktc3/3. Bc4/3. c4 are better, preventing ...d5, but I suppose Black could also reach this position through 1. Ktf3 h5 ; 2. e4 ; ok then 2. g3 is stronger) h3 ; 4. g3 (4. gh is also met by 4. ...d5 but ignoring Black's last move is probably best)
d5 ; 5. ed (after 5. e5 Black is just fine) Qxd5 ; 6. Ktc3 Qh5 ; 7. Be2 Bg4 leads to a position where Black might just be holding.
If you answer that the whole line is crap and not worth discussing, then of course you are right, but the point is that it is less crappy than White blundering a pawn on move 3!!

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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #229 - 03/05/06 at 04:32:47
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Hi, everyone!  Grin

Thought I'd reactivate this old thread! Here  are some  games with the ZGED:

1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 ef3 5 Nxf3 e6 6 Bg5 Be7 7 Bd3 Nc6 8 00 Nxd4 9 Kh1 c6
10 Nxd4 Qxd4 11 Qe1 h6 12 Bf4 00 13 Rd1 Qb4 14 Be5 Nd7  15 Bf4 Qc5  16 Rh3 h5  17 a3 Qb6 
18 Bh6 Nf6  19 Bg5 Rg8  20 Ne4, 1-0, Peter Leisebein - Peter  Schuster, email correspondence, Germany, Remote Schach, 2004. RS is the official server of the German Correspondence Chess Union.

5...e6 6 Bg5 Be7 7 Bd3 Nc6 8 00 Nxd4 9 Kh1 Nxf3 10 Qxf3 00 11 Rad1 Bd7  12 Qh3 h6?  13 Bxh6! gh6 14 Rxf6! Bxf6 15 Qxh6 Re8 16 Bh7+ Kh8  17 Bg6+ Kg8  18 Qh7+  Kf8  19 Qxf7 mate, Thomas Dupuis - NN, Internet Chess Club, 3 min 3 sec. increment blitz, 1998.

(Moves 1-9 same as above)             9...Nf5  10 Bxf5 ef5  11 Qxd8+  Bxd8  12 Rae1+  Be6 13 Nd4 Ng4  14 Nxe6 fxe6  15 Rxf5 g6, draw, Kuni - Leisebein, correspondence, Germany, 2001.

Keep in touch!

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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #228 - 10/26/05 at 07:23:42
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"Have you not noticed that he has gone away?"
I miss LDZ. His posts were always highly entertaining, especially when he was angry.
LDZ, where are you?


I have not gone away. It is just that first, I have a lot of responsibilities as Executive Editor of the Rutgers-Newark Observer, my school's newspaper. Secondly, I was wondering myself about  why this forum was so quiet?

I am still playing the Zilbermints Gambit on the Internet Chess Club, with decent results. Recently won an easy game in the 9...Nxf3 10 Qxf3, the Exchange Sub-Variation.
There Black got mated on f7 before Castling!

These days I am also experimenting with unorthodox replies to the Sicilian Defense, 1 e4 c5. Had some good results with the Brick, 1 e4 c5 2 Nh3!? . Of course 1 e4 e5
2 f4 brings about the King's Gambit...

To respond, Leisebein plays the best moves in the Zilbermints Gambit. That is why he wins. So stop complaining  and start playing the Zilbermints Gambit in the Euwe Defense to the BDG!
  
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Reply #227 - 10/24/05 at 21:23:15
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"Have you not noticed that he has gone away?"
I miss LDZ. His posts were always highly entertaining, especially when he was angry.
LDZ, where are you?
  

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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #226 - 10/23/05 at 21:11:03
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I have yet to hear of an opening that is 100% correct.  If you find one, do let me know.  I'd rather like to have this chess game solved and be on with my life.

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Reply #225 - 10/23/05 at 16:49:15
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sorry, i was only reading through the first pages, didnt know he was already gone. And I am not gonna prove anything. I play the BDG myself, i like it and it gives a lot of fun, but we all now that it is not 100% correct  Smiley, if you deny that you are really missing something
  
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Reply #224 - 10/23/05 at 13:44:01
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this is a useless discussion, there are almost no gambits that are completly correct or sound. Zilberments only tries to prove his gambit with 5 min blitz games, whahahahaha, he should starting analysing in a way like Troksky figured out his famous 2 night vs pawn endgame and then come up with a conclusion. It just looks silly that he tries to prove that the gambit is correct. You can play it if you have like attacking positions, and ofcourse black has to play the correct move for a long time and mistakes are easyly made (explaning the good results from Leisebeim)
But still it is not correct. And up to 2400 you do not have to play correct openings, because nobody till that level plays without mistakes.
I play the Latvian gambit for myself with good results, But i am not gonna claim that the gambit is correct, I just like the positions and know how to play them.

so zilberments, GET A LIFE, and stop discussing this stupid gambit of yours

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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #223 - 10/23/05 at 13:42:54
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guest snowseal, this thread was sleeping for  5 month now(and Zilbermints too), so you want to begin a new war about the correctness of the BDG? It's useless until you have a real improvement for Black or if you wanna defend the Black side against me like I have done against Markovich, I am ready. I won't explain why I defend the BDG, I defended it in many responses, just check them. But I agree with your point about the priority of the skills and not the opening under 2400.

For me, the BDG, whatever is the rating of Black and White, is about (=) or unclear, until I see a real improvement for Black to claim to be better for sure.
  
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Reply #222 - 10/23/05 at 13:05:24
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this is a useless discussion, there are almost no gambits that are completly correct or sound. Zilberments only tries to prove his gambit with 5 min blitz games, whahahahaha, he should starting analysing in a way like Troksky figured out his famous 2 night vs pawn endgame and then come up with a conclusion. It just looks silly that he tries to prove that the gambit is correct. You can play it if you have like attacking positions, and ofcourse black has to play the correct move for a long time and mistakes are easyly made (explaning the good results from Leisebeim)
But still it is not correct. And up to 2400 you do not have to play correct openings, because nobody till that level plays without mistakes.
I play the Latvian gambit for myself with good results, But i am not gonna claim that the gambit is correct, I just like the positions and know how to play them.

so zilberments, GET A LIFE, and stop discussing this stupid gambit of yours
  
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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #221 - 09/05/05 at 03:14:42
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Robert Byrd is special.  He is respected by all sides for his knowledge of Congress and his unwavering sense of morality.  He was one of the first to reprimand his party's own president, Clinton.  His argument that while Clinton's behavior was reprehensible, it was not impeachable, proved one of the main reasons Clinton wasn't actually convicted of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Strom Thurmond also held office forever, but contrary to Byrd, Thurmond stood as a throw-back to the days of segregation.  He routinely lost the Black vote in his state, but was solidly supported by the Whites in his state.

Sorry.  I double majored in History (trivial pursuit) and Political Science (barroom conversation).  I shouldn't indulge in those passions here!

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Reply #220 - 09/05/05 at 03:08:40
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LDZ for president!


Thank you for the nomination, but as Russian-born, I must decline. U.S. Senator would be better.  Senators are there far longer than presidents, you know? Just look at Democrat Robert Byrd. Eighty-seven years old, in his ninth term, has not lost an election since 1946! How does he do that?

Not losing a single election in almost 60 years! Jesus Christ... that's one for the Guinness Book of Records.
  
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Reply #219 - 09/05/05 at 02:42:30
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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #218 - 09/04/05 at 23:40:48
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Gambit, et al:

First of all, I'd like to point out that I have been one of many who have been ganging up on you lately, and your responses have definitely improved!  If only our American president could admit to making mistakes and trying to correct them, the world would be a better place! Cry   

It's very easy to read things in the worst possible light on the internet where we can't read body language, so "typos" become that much more critical.  It's good to see that you're working on that aspect of your messages and articles.
  
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