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Re: Trompowsky
Reply #19 - 05/23/05 at 11:23:03
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Looking forward to your new book Eric.

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Re: Trompowsky
Reply #18 - 05/23/05 at 04:29:29
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When I publish my book on the Tromp, you will have the answers to all these questions Topnotch Wink

In the meantime, as far as 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 e6 3.Nd2 may be concerned, keep watching the updates!

Playing with Black 1.d4 d5 (1.Nf3 d5, 1.c4 c6 intending 2...d5 ) is a great asset in the hands of the Tromp player, providing him with a more global vision of things...
  
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Re: Trompowsky
Reply #17 - 05/23/05 at 01:21:48
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Nigel Davies new book seems to have greatly empowered you. Grin

But books come and go and Davies is not known as a Trompovsky specialist. In fact he seems to be writing as an authority on every opening under the sun these days.

Davies is becoming almost as prolific as Soltis and Schiller is. Such output often reflects in the quality of the work.

Since I do not know the precise contents of the book, I will tell you where he would need to impress me:

A) He would need to show something convincing against: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5! 3.Bxf6 exf6 or  1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5! 3.e3 c5 These lines are perhaps black's most reliable against the Tromp.

B) As a KID player myself,  I sometimes opt for a more frisky option than the safe equaliser outlined above, namely: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4! 3.Bh4?! c5! [or c6!?] and now 4.f3 g5! is definetly good for black but 4.Nd2!? is well worth investigation, but even here my intuition tells me that Black should be fine.

C) 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4! 3.Bf4 d5! [I prefer this to the more popular c5!? as it is more reliable for black], White may try a deferred BDG with 4.f3, 5.e4 but in this case I think the simple 4...Nf6 5.e4 e3! is quite comfortable for Black. See the game Benjamin vs Yermolinsky for an example, at least I think it was Benjamin.

D) Finally 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4! 3.Bf4 d5 4.e3 c5! 4.Bd3 Nf6! Is now considered quite promising for black, despite Peter Wells scepticism in his excellent monograph 'Winning With The Trompovsky', which by the way is still the most compelling book on this Opening.

E) 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 e6 This is a very popular choice for Black, but I think that the simple 3.Nd2 is quite nice for White and scores well, one of his ideas being to setup a Stonewall Attack formation with the usually bad dark squared bishop outside the pawn chain.

So there you have it, the Tromp in a nutshell.

My question to you now is, what does Davies have to show, that Hodgson, Wells and Gallagher have not.

In otherwords, show me the money.

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Re: Trompowsky
Reply #16 - 05/22/05 at 23:35:53
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This is in response to a few of your's messages.

I have been looking myself at taking up the Tromp against 1...Nf6.  I'm a Veresov player myself, and so for that person that said he plays 1...e6, and appologies to the Tromp players, I have just the weapon to beat you, 2.Nc3!!.

As for those of you trying to find a defense to 6.d5! in the 3.Bf4 line, I have that new Tromp book by Davies, and his 2 Chapters on 3.Bh4 seem quite convincing.  This may be what you guys need to watch out for.

As for the guy that commented that he's a Benoni player, I myself am a King's Indian player, and for those of you that play aggressive defenses to 1.d4 such as those 2, or the Grunfeld, or Benko Gambit, 2...Ne4 doesn't seem to give Black the type of game he's looking for.  Also a recommendation in Davies' book, and something I seemed to notice myself as well, is that 2...c5 seems to lead more to nature of play that a typical King's Indian or Benoni player would be looking for.  It is slightly riskier than 2...Ne4, and you may get an extra loss or 2 compared to 2...Ne4, but it also seems to give Black more winning chances.
  
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Reply #15 - 05/06/05 at 05:29:23
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MNb - A.Ward, ICCF EM/H/148

1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Qa5+ 5.c3 Nf6 6.d5 Qb6
7.Bc1 e6 8.c4 exd5 9.cxd5 c4 10.e4 Bc5 11.Nh3 d6 12.Bxc4 Bxh3
13.gxh3 Nd7 14.Nc3 Rc8 15.Qb3 Ne5 16.Qb5+ Ke7 17.Be2 Qxb5
18.Nxb5 a6 19.Nc3 Rc7 20.Bf4 Rhc8 21.Kd2 Nfd7 22.Rac1 b5
23.a4 Nc4+ 24.Bxc4 bxc4 25.Rc2 Rb7 26.Ke2 Bd4 27.Bg5+ f6
28.Be3 Bxe3 29.Kxe3 Rcb8 30.Rb1 Ne5 31.Ne2 1/2-1/2

Again I would rather have Black next time in this line.
  

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Reply #14 - 02/23/05 at 21:05:22
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I agree with your comment on 11.c4, but rejected 11.Bc4 because of:



Wojtaszek,R (2117) - Grabarska,B (2293) [A45]
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1.d4 Pf6 2.Lg5 Pe4 3.Lf4 c5 4.f3 Da5+ 5.c3 Pf6 6.d5 Db6 7.b3 e6 8.e4 exd5 9.exd5 Ld6 10.Lg5 Le7 11.Lc4 0-0 12.Pe2 d6 13.0-0 a6 14.a4 Da5 15.Pa3 Pbd7 16.Ld3 h6 17.Lxf6 Pxf6 18.Pc4 Dc7 19.Lc2 b6 20.a5 bxa5 21.Pf4 g6 22.Te1 Te8 23.Dd2 Lf8 24.Txe8 Pxe8 25.Pxa5 Ld7 26.Pc4 Lg7 27.Pe2 Lb5 28.Pg3 Lxc4 29.bxc4 Pf6 30.La4 Pd7 31.Lc6 Ta7 32.f4 Pf6 33.Dd3 Db6 34.Tb1 Da5 35.Tb8+ Kh7 36.h3 Te7 37.Kh2 Da2 38.Ta8 h5 39.f5 h4 40.fxg6+ fxg6 41.Pf5 Te1 42.Ta7 Da1 43.Txg7+ Kh8 44.Pxh4 Th1+ 45.Kg3 De1+ 0-1

  

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Re: Trompowsky
Reply #13 - 02/23/05 at 11:12:57
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7. b3 is interesting! i remember analysing this move and thought it was not too bad...but all the books condemn it in favour of 7. Bc1. Undecided

After 7. b3 i had the idea of playing Bc4 (on move 11 or even earlier) followed with Ne2, at least completing development harmoniously. the move c4 seems to weaken the dark squares too much.
  
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Reply #12 - 02/18/05 at 16:19:08
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After a couple of beers Alumbrado once stated: why exchange 1.e4 for trash like the Tromp? I usually do exactly the opposite of what Alumbrado recommends - otherwise it would become dull here at Olympus - so a few months I decided to give it a shot. After all a certain Hodgson has had some success with it. Well, reluctantly I must admit, that I'd better listened this time.

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1.d4 Nf6 2.Ng5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Qa5+ 5.c3 Nf6 6.d5 Qb6 7.b3 e6 8.e4 exd5 9.exd5 Bd6 10.Bg5 Be7 11.c4 Qd6 12.Ne2 Qe5 13.Bxf6 Bxf6 14.Nbc3 d6 15.f4 Qe7 16.Kf2 0–0 17.Qd2 Re8 18.g3 Bg4 19.Re1 Na6 20.a3 Nc7 21.Bg2 Rab8 22.h3 Bxe2 23.Nxe2 b5 24.Rb1 Qd7 25.Qd3 Re7 26.Rhe1 Rbe8 27.Bf3 bxc4 28.bxc4 Qa4 29.Rb7 Bd4+ 30.Kg2 Re3 31.Qd2 R3e7 ½–½

You may congratulate me with succesfully defending a failed opening. This is of course not what I suspected when sending 2.Bg5. Now I remember someone stating that 2.Bg5! is a win. So I am curious, what comments I will get.
In another game I tried 7.Bc1 - when it is finished I will post it too.
  

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Reply #11 - 02/02/04 at 11:43:11
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Reply #10 - 02/02/04 at 02:12:44
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Reply #9 - 02/01/04 at 17:55:03
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Thx Sacanode,  I found it  Grin

By the way do you know how to copy games from  http://www.chessbase.com/ into a word program like Notepad or  Wordpad, I couldn't find a way to do it.

Many thx

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Reply #8 - 01/31/04 at 20:41:20
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I found the game on the database at www.chessbase.com.
  

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Reply #7 - 01/31/04 at 17:18:50
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Hi Sacanode  Grin

I am curious as to which site you found this game between Dmitrenko and Lahno. I can't find the game or tournament anywhere on the web.

Thanks in advance.

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Reply #6 - 10/06/03 at 23:41:35
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I think the gambit line with 9...c4 is causing white major problems when black plays the simple retreat 13...Qd8!.  Black has so much play, it difficult to believe that white can even equalize!  (One of the many reasons I have decided not to play the Trompowski.)Here is a recent game from Katerina Lahno:

[Event "Alushta Pobeda"]
[Site "Alushta"]
[Date "2003.05.01"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Dmitrenko,Viktor"]
[Black "Lahno,Katerina"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "A45"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Qa5+ 5.c3 Nf6 6.d5 Qb6 7.Bc1 e6 8.c4 exd5 
9.cxd5 c4 10.e3 Bc5 11.Kf2 0-0 12.Bxc4 Re8 13.Qb3 Qd8 14.Ne2 d6 15.Nbc3 a6 16.Bd3 b5 
17.Ne4 Nxe4+ 18.Bxe4 Nd7 19.Rd1 Nf6 20.Ng3 h5 21.Bb1 Bb7 22.a4 b4 23.Kf1 a5 24.e4 Qb6 
25.Ne2 Nd7 26.Bd3 Ne5 27.Bb5 Re7 28.Bf4 Ng6 29.Bg3 h4 30.Be1 h3 31.g4 f6 32.Rac1 Ne5 
33.Bg3 Ba6 34.Bxa6 Rxa6 35.Bxe5 fxe5 36.Ng3 Ra8 37.Rc2 g6 38.Rdc1 Rf7 39.Ke2 Raf8 40.Rf1 Rf4 
41.Rcc1 Qc7 42.Qd3 Qf7 43.Qb3 Kg7 44.Rcd1 Qb7 45.Qc4 Rc8 46.Rc1 Rff8 47.Qd3 Bd4 48.Rc2 b3 
49.Rd2 Qb4 50.Ra1 Rc4 51.Ra3 Rb8 52.Nf1 Bxb2 0-1

  

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Re: Trompowsky
Reply #5 - 05/06/03 at 15:34:34
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Hey, semprun, do you have the same handle on ICC?  Mine is indeed Flanker...I'll have to catch you on there sometime.

As for the Trompowsky, for the brief time I've had to play the Black side of it, I always played 2...Ne4 and 3...c5, following Joe Gallagher's ideas in the book "Beating the Anti-King's Indians", and that may also have the answer to the question about what to do against 7.Bc1.

Luckily enough, I don't ever have to deal with the tromp again, as being one that has started to take up the Queen's Gambit Declined as Black, and one that plays the French Defense religiously (always have, most likely always will, but you never know, that could change), I answer 1.d4 with 1...e6!  (Sorry Tromp Boys, won't get to play your pet line against me).  Then the odd part is, I've seen players try to play 2.Nf3 and 3.Bg5, and then play the game like it were a Tromp rather than a Torre and usually they get crushed.

My own personal advice would be to take up 1...e6, and put the burden on the Tromp player rather than on yourself!  Smiley
  
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