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Re: New Main Line in 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #14 - 12/25/04 at 21:27:30
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I think the line 15.Qd2 Rd8 16.Qh6!! are really brilliant. It certainly give white a good edge and i like the tactic16..Nxc3?? Bxf7+. I remember a similar combination in a alekhine game. In this line though rather drawish, doesnt black miss his potent dragon bishop?
  
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Re: New Main Line in 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #13 - 12/17/04 at 21:45:26
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Thanks everyone for commenting on my chapter here.  Smiley

I looked at all 13...Qc7 lines very seriously, but in the end it was necessary to make a (hard) choice between 14.Bc4 and 14.Qc5 (well, and also 14.g3!?).

So, most of 14.Bc4 stuff was simply not included. After 14.Bc4 e5!? (I think that the main line is still 14...Nb6 which is passive but does not create weaknesses, but, well, 14...e5 is also playable at some extent) 15.Qd2, I decided that 15...Be6 16. Ne4 Rad8!? is Black's relatively best. The main deviations are: 15...Rd8 and 16...Rab8.

After 15.Qd2 Rd8 (the move, which was suggested above in this Forum), some lines are: 16.Qh6!? Be6 (16...Nxc3?! 17.Bxf7+!; 16...Bf5?! 17.g4! Nxc3? 18.gxf5 +-) 17.Ne4 Qe7 18.h4 (with White's initiative) 18...Qf8 (18...Bf5 19.h5 Qf8 20.Qg5; 18...f6 19.h5!) 19.Qg5!? (a calmer alternative is 19.Qxf8+ Kxf8 20.Nc5 Ke7 +/= 21.Rhe1!? f6 22.Nxe6 Kxe6 23.f4) 19...f5 20.Bxd5 Bxd5 (20...cxd5 21.Nf6+! Kg7 22.Nh5+ Kh8 23.Ng3 - Voicu) 21.Nf6+!? Kg7 22.Nxh7!? Kxh7 23.h5 with an attack.

It all was NOT included in the book. (The line with 19.Qg5/22.Nxh7!? is quite complex, as I remember.)
One way or another, 14...e5!? is a curious possibility, which creates additional troubles for White's preparation.  ???
  
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Re: New Main Line in 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #12 - 12/17/04 at 13:20:00
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Well I guess this is good news for Dragon players who visit this site since Da Costa Junior recommended (after 14.Bc4 e5 15.Qd2) 15...Rd8! instead of 15...Be6 which gets hit by Nc5 in Golubev's variation.  This is not a detraction from the book either since you say Golubev's main recommendation is 14.Qc5.  You just don't say why!  That's OK, those interested should just buy the book.  I have a feeling he might be recommending, after 14.Qc5 Nxc3 15.Qxc3 Be6, 16.a3!? but I'll find out when the book leaves my wish list and is on my shelf.  Grin
  
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Re: New Main Line in 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #11 - 12/17/04 at 11:52:00
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In the Book "experts vs. the sicilian" Golubev writes:

14. Qc5
I cannot expect that every reader will have time to study two or more complex directions in full detail. So this move, as a result of a hard and uncertain choice, is my main recommendation for white. 14.Bc4, twice used by Shirov against Fererov, is no weaker but more complex. then 14...Nb6 is blacks most popular move, when White can fight for the initiative in various ways. Shirov played 15.Be2!? (15.Bb3 c5!), trying to underline the drawbacks of Blacks passive knight retreat. Alternatively, White can allow ...Nxc4, because such an exchange cannot be called a strategic achievement for black. Instead of 14...Nb6, Black can play actively with 14..e5!? 15.Qd2 (after Qc5?! Nxc3 16.Qxc3 is no longer possible) 15...Be6. Here 16. Ne4 Tad8!? (after 16...Rab8 17.h4 Black has more problems) 17.Nc5!? looks slightly better for white
Whites reasonable options also include the rare moves 14.h4 and 14.g3

and then he continues with his main line. Maybe not what you have expected but it is still a great book, you should buy it!!!!

PS: it is realy a graet book!!!! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  
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Re: New Main Line in 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #10 - 12/07/04 at 23:36:15
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Any updates on this variation which seems fairly solid based on what's been presented so far here.  Anyone care to share what "Experts vs. the Sicilian" has on this particular variation.  This is a must book but I haven't gotten it yet.
  
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Reply #9 - 04/18/04 at 07:38:51
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Unfortunately Collins doesn't answer your question!  He gives 15...Nb6 16 Bb3! with ideas of Qh6 and Ne4.

He also gives 15...Nxc3 16 Qxc3 as clearly better for white
  
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Re: New Main Line in 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #8 - 04/08/04 at 18:38:43
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I would be very interested in seeing his analysis.  I know Collin's opponent played 15...Nf4 and Da Costa Junior sugessted Black continue 15...Be6 or 15...Rd8.  Did Collin's have analysis on these 2 moves?
  
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Reply #7 - 04/08/04 at 18:02:12
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A key game in this line is one played by the Irish player Sam Collins at the 2002 Olympiad.  After 14...e5?! (His annotation) 15 Qd2 he gave some convincing analysis.

I'll try and dig it out
  
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Re: New Main Line in 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #6 - 03/28/04 at 09:10:42
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I thought of another try for White by analogy with another main line after 9.O-O-O d5.  After 10.exd5 Nxd5 11.Nxc6 bxc6 12.Bd4 Bxd4 13.Qxd4 Qc7 14.Bc4 e5! (14...Nb6 15.Be2! Be6 16.h4 seems hard to meet to me now) 15.Qd2 Rd8 and now I thought I would look at 16.Ne4!?, but Black seems to do well here too.  16...Rb8

A)  17.Rhe1 Kg7 

B)  17.h4 Qb6 18.Bb3 Bf5 19.Qg5 a5 20.g4 Bxe4 21.fxe4 a4 22.exd5 axb3 23.cxb3 Ra8 24.Kb1 Qa5 25.a3 Rxd5 26.h5 Qd8 27.Qxd8+ Raxd8

C)  17.Bxd5 cxd5 18.Nf6+ Kg7 19.Nxd5 Qb7 20.c4 Be6 21.Qe2 Bxd5 22.Rxd5 Rxd5 23.cxd5 Qxd5 24.h4 Rb4 25.h5 e4 

Just some ideas to show why I think Black is OK, but probably improvements for both sides abound.

Looking back 16.Ne4 was mentioned in the initial post.
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Re: New Main Line in 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #5 - 03/21/04 at 13:03:28
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I like 18...Bf5!?, after 19.Rhd1 (Black gets very good play if White takes the c-pawn) 19...Rab8 20.h4 and now 20...Qb6!? (although maybe other moves are good that keep more life in the position) looks sufficient. 21.Qxb6 Rxb6 =.
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Re: New Main Line in 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #4 - 03/21/04 at 09:03:28
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17.Rd6 exf3 18.gxf3 Bf5!? and then black may activate both rooks. The white's pawn structure doesn't look good.

My suggestion is to play a new main line with 14...e5!? I didn't say 14...Nb6 is the old book move. I say it's the book move because anyone can find in a book. But I think 14...e5!? is a good idea in order to be discussed here. We may have a new point of view in this main line because it's not a book move yet.
  
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Re: New Main Line in 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #3 - 03/21/04 at 01:15:50
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I looked again at Fritz's 17.Rd6 move.  After 17...exf3 18.gxf3 I still am not finding a good way to continue as Black.  White usually follows up with a quick Rhd1 and seems to have a bind on the position.  Also you mention 14...Nb6 is the old book move.  Has this been abandoned?  I looked at the games on chessbase.com which didn't always look so good for Black but once again Fritz seemed to find some good solutions for Black.
  
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Re: New Main Line in 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #2 - 03/19/04 at 11:12:47
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Thanks

I think 14.Bc4 e5!? (14...Nb6 is the 'book' move) 15.Qc5 Nxc3 16.bxc3 e4! 17.Rd6 exf3 and black has good play here. It's hard to avoid the draw in the main line 17.fxe4 Qf4+.

I think 14.Bc4 e5!? 15.Qd2 is the best continuation and now black may play 15...Be6 or 15...Rd8 and white may avoid the draw endgame and play 16.Ne4 for example.
  
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Re: New Main Line in 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #1 - 03/19/04 at 00:36:41
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In line "b" is there anything to 17.Rd6?  Fritz seems to like this move.  Also, after 14.Bc4, has 14...Nb6!? been looked at?
  
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New Main Line in 9.0-0-0 d5
03/05/04 at 11:03:05
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I would like to share a new main line in 9.0-0-0 d5

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.0-0-0 d5 10.exd5 Nxd5 11.Nxc6 bxc6 12.Bd4 Bxd4 13.Qxd4 Qc7

a) 14.Qc5 Nxc3 15.Qxc3 Be6 16.Bd3 (there are games in this position; white should think other idea in this position) 16...Bxa2!? 17.b3 a5 18.Kb2 a4 19.Kxa2 axb3+ 20.Kb1 (20.Kb2 Ra2+!?) 20...bxc2+ 21.Bxc2 Rfb8+!? with compensation;

b) 14.Bc4 (there are games in this position) 14...e5!? 15.Qc5 (15.Qd2 Rd8!? with the idea IF 16.Bxd5 Be6 and now there is an interesting endgame with queen sacrifice; white should think other idea in this position) 15...Nxc3 16.bxc3 (Gufeld has indicated this position in his famous book as good for white) 16...e4! 17.fxe4 Qf4+ 18.Kb1 Qxe4 19.Rhe1 Rb8+ 20.Ka1 Qxc2 21.Bxf7+! Rxf7 22.Rd8+ Kg7 23.Qd4+ Kh6 24.Qh4+ Kg7=.

  
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