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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10778 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #15 - 03/29/05 at 08:19:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	It is a bit pretentious to call 1.e4 c5 2.b3 the Snyder Sicilian, as it has been played many times before 1984 - even in the 18th century. What about this? 1.e4 e6 2.b3 c5 3.Nf3 a6 4.Bb2 Nc6 is a reliable defense. Kindermann recommends 5.g3, but I think Black has a good game after d5 6.exd5 exd5 7.Qe2+ Qe7 8.Qxe7+ Ngxe7 9.Bg2 Bf5! 10.Na3 o-o-o Lyell,M-Ghasi,A/4NCL-Div1 0304. Also after 5.c4 Black can perfectly play d5! Is White's queen's fianchetto harmless?

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Robert M. Snyder Guest	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #14 - 03/14/05 at 22:17:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	As author of the SNYDER SICILIAN (1 e4 c5 2 b3) and after the urging of my readers for many years, I have provided completely updated analysis of the SNYDER SICILIAN in my fourth book in the CHESS FOR JUNIORS SERIES titled, MORE UNBEATABLE CHESS FOR JUNIORS. It is being released by Random House on May 10, 2005. It contains the most up to date analysis and the lines are much more extensive than my 1984 book. You can get an autographed copy and preorder it at www.chessforjuniors.com.


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Glenn Snow God Member Offline Posts: 1720 Location: Franklin Joined: 09/27/03 Gender:	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #13 - 02/26/05 at 20:59:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	I had the name of the author wrong. It was Robert M. Snyder (USCF master) who put out "Sicilian 2.b3 (Snyder Sicilian)". He did indeed write an update in 1984 that included 30 pages of analysis and 75 annotated games in a 124 page book. I don't know if it's still availiable anywhere.


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TalJechin God Member Offline There is no secret ingredient. Posts: 2892 Location: Malmö Joined: 08/12/04 Gender:	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #12 - 02/26/05 at 02:34:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: Since I don't know if it's been mentioned elseware there is a book (probably several years old if that matters) written by Tom Snyder (I think) on 2.b3 that contains games and analysis that might be of interest to anyone wanting to try this out. I saw that book on a german site a while ago, if I remember correctly it was from the late 70s and very thin, 20 pages or so. - Just compiling Gelashvili's games should give more info than that, unless Snyder has made a recent updated version... Btw, I saw a live bliz game Short-Kasparov in Reykjavik one or two years ago, where white tried 2.b3. Lazily, I assumed I could wait for the game to appear in the TWiC download, so I didn't write it down. But it seems that it hasn't entered the databses... Anyone here who has it?


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10778 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #11 - 02/25/05 at 22:50:37	Post Tools	Print Post
	I do not know, if it is anything, but Boersma in his 1983 booklet "Siciliaans-Flankopeningen" suggests 1.e4 c5 2.b3 d6 3.Bb2 Nf6 4.Nc3 Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 (a6 6.Bxc6+ bxc6 7.f4 g6 8.e5 Gurgenidze-Vitolinsj, Tiflis 1979) 6.f4 a)6...g6 7.Nd5 Bg7 8.Nf3 o-o 9.Nxf6 exf6 10.o-o "and White has an improved version of the 5.f4 line". b)6...a6 7.Bxc6 (7.Be2 g6! again) Bxc6 8.Qe2 eventually followed by castiling queenside. An example is Ghannoum,M (2192) - Ramaswamy,K [B20] CAN-ch Closed Montreal (5), 24.08.2001 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Pc6 3.Lb2 d6 4.Lb5 Ld7 5.Pc3 Pf6 6.f4 a6 7.Lxc6 Lxc6 8.De2 e6 9.Pf3 Le7 10.0–0 0–0 11.Tae1 b5 12.d3 Db6 13.Kh1 c4 14.dxc4 b4 15.Pd5 exd5 16.exd5 Ld7 17.Ld4 Dc7 Here Fritz gives the queen sac 18.Qxe7 Rfe8 19.Bxf6 Rxe7 20.Bxe7 Re8 21.Bh4.

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Glenn Snow God Member Offline Posts: 1720 Location: Franklin Joined: 09/27/03 Gender:	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #10 - 02/25/05 at 19:27:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	Interestingly Rowson's update (I liked Lane but this update was quite good and I look forward to Rowson's future updates -- he covered all 3 of my blitz chess anti-Sicilian weapons!) has 2 games on 2.b3. One of these games features the ...g6 variation with White responding with Nd5. I still don't think this (Nd5) is a good idea for White and that Black's play can be greatly improved on. Rowson writes: Quote: I have to confess that I am a little afraid of this move and find it surprising that it has only become popular recently. I should also say that I have lost several blitz games on ICC against this move! For the rest you'll have to be a subscriber. Since I don't know if it's been mentioned elseware there is a book (probably several years old if that matters) written by Tom Snyder (I think) on 2.b3 that contains games and analysis that might be of interest to anyone wanting to try this out.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10778 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #9 - 02/24/05 at 21:16:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	That Kindermann site is great - not only for the 2.b3 variation.

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Glenn Snow God Member Offline Posts: 1720 Location: Franklin Joined: 09/27/03 Gender:	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #8 - 02/21/05 at 10:34:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yes I had forgotten about the games (blitz) where I had suffered when they adopted a Dragon (maybe an inaccurate name, but you know what I mean) setup. I too had tried the Nd5 without any success (theoretically speaking). I wonder if White couldn't change his move order a little. How about 1.e4 c5 2.b3 d6 3.f4!?, attempting to keep the long diagonal open as long as possible. For instance, 3...g6?! 4.Bb2 Nf6 5.e5 looks like it should be good for White. Maybe on 3...Nf6, White could try 4.e5!? answering 4...Nd5 with either 5.Qf3 or perhaps the gambit 5.Bb2 Nxf4 6.Qf3. Keep in mind this is strictly off the cuff. I haven't looked at any of this with Fritz.


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TalJechin God Member Offline There is no secret ingredient. Posts: 2892 Location: Malmö Joined: 08/12/04 Gender:	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #7 - 02/21/05 at 07:08:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	I've played this line off and on for many years, and I can't say that 1.e4 c5 2.b3 e6 has been much of a deterrent for me. The positions tend to be reminiscent of the Grand Prix lines with e6 and d5, and if black prefers a d6 set-up it looks more like a c3-sicilian. The maestro in the 2.b3 lines is Tamaz Gelashvili, a +2500 GM from Georgia. he's been playing 2.b3 against every level of opposition for many years. - Nigel Short has also dabbled with it occasionally, but still gotten much more attention for it than TG... Via the move order 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.b3 it seems quite respectable though GMs as white usually accept a draw within 20 moves against other GMs, but that is not unlikely to be a last round syndrome. One game that impressed me as a spectator was Luke McShane - Ole Jakobsen Politiken Cup 2003. Sure white is much higher rated, but Ole is well known to be very hard to beat... The downside to 1.e4 c5 2.b3 is in my opinion neither d6+e5 nor the ...e6 systems (though Watson seems to think otherwise in Play The French 1-3), but the k-side fianchetto. 2...Nc6 3.Bb2 d6 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.f4 g6! etc was a depressing game for me in round 1 of my first Politiken Cup in ´98. I seriously underestimated my young Icelandic 1500 opponent - afterwards someone told me that Icelandic juniors are usually worth about 500 more, but since they only play each other most of the year their rating points stay within the group... Anyway, one lesson from that game was that Nd5 and doubling black's f-pawns is definitely NOT the way for white... Probably, white needs to enter something similar to a Closed Sicilian set-up with d3, as Nf6xe4 is an annoying move if you don't protect pawn-e4.


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Glenn Snow God Member Offline Posts: 1720 Location: Franklin Joined: 09/27/03 Gender:	http://chessgate.de/training/trainRe: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #6 - 02/21/05 at 00:55:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	If you scroll down the page far enough you'll find several fairly heavily annotated games featuring 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.b3 at http://chessgate.de/training/training_kindermann/training_kindermann.html. ; Even without knowing German you can get a lot from the variations given.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10778 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #5 - 02/16/05 at 21:32:56	Post Tools	Print Post
	Like Glenn Snow I was attracted by White's f2-f4 against the c5-d6-e5 formation and was never able to figure out how White must play against 1.e4 c5 2.b3 e6. This also stops me from playing 1.e4 e6 2.b3 and now not d5 3.Bb2!? (Réti) but 2...c5 transposing.

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Glenn Snow God Member Offline Posts: 1720 Location: Franklin Joined: 09/27/03 Gender:	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #4 - 02/16/05 at 08:37:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	Looking back I see we've discussed 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.b3 under at least 2 threads (http://altmax.com/cgi-local/cpf/YaBB.cgi?board=AntiSicilians;action=display;num=..., and http://altmax.com/cgi-local/cpf/YaBB.cgi?board=AntiSicilians;action=display;num=...) but I didn't see any with 2.b3 immediately which sorta surprises me (did I just miss it?). Anyway, I actually think that this is a fairly dangerous that Black should take seriously. The ...e5 type variations may be the best theoretically but are often difficult to play in practice against Whites King's Gambit type ideas with f4 (note sometimes White doesn't play this as a gambit, instead he plays Bc4(b5), and Ne2 and maybe 0-0 before f4). Back when I was really looking into this I felt most of White's resources were underestimated. The variation I found most troubling was actually 1.e4 c5 2.b3 e6 3.Nf3 d5! which isn't supposed to very good. No doubt my analysis could be improved but it always seemed that Black could get good play in the usually resulting isolated d-pawn positions (at least Fritz always seemed to find a way).


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culdesac YaBB Newbies Offline No sabemos lo que pasa, eso es lo que pasa... Posts: 25 Location: Leiden Joined: 01/23/03 Gender:	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #3 - 02/16/05 at 05:14:34	Post Tools	Print Post
	The best way to counter the b3 sicilian is to play a c5-d6-e5 pawn formation as black. After 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.b3 black has 'lost a tempo' though something like d6-e5 might still be playable.


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chessy Full Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 189 Location: Europe Joined: 12/17/04	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #2 - 02/16/05 at 04:51:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	I heard ones, that the b3 idea should be stronger after the moves 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3. b3... This was also played in Triplois 2004 between Kashimdzhanov and Topalov (1-0) However I do not understand what the possible drawback of 2....e6 could be. ???


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Mike Thomas Full Member Offline So many openings, so little time! Posts: 116 Location: Louisville Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: 1.e4 c5 2.b3 Reply #1 - 02/16/05 at 02:05:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	Andrew Martin offers some analysis over at www.chessville.com ; otherwise, I haven't looked at it very much. http://www.chessville.com/instruction/Openings/Martin/Mar04a.htm http://www.chessville.com/instruction/Openings/Martin/Mar04b.htm


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