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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #112 - 07/27/05 at 20:51:18
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Lev, it was all in good fun to make a point, though your're right; it is was probably a bad example.  That's why I deliberately mispelled your name and included "X" at the end of the message, to make it clear that it wasn't you.  I won't say any more on the matter; it is your choice to make.  And I won't do a post like that again; I hope it didn't offend you.  

This was intended as a countermeasure against the guests who wreak havoc in the forum under various aliases (though it was perhaps badly executed).  After seeing the nude picture Shocked in the General Chess section, I am tending more to agree with TopNotch that only registered users should be allowed to post.  Especially when there are inactive forum monitors.

Even though sometimes my behavior may be a bad example, I hope you understand where was I coming from.


  Apology accepted.

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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #111 - 07/27/05 at 18:07:24
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Lev, it was all in good fun to make a point, though your're right; it is was probably a bad example.  That's why I deliberately mispelled your name and included "X" at the end of the message, to make it clear that it wasn't you.  I won't say any more on the matter; it is your choice to make.  And I won't do a post like that again; I hope it didn't offend you.  

This was intended as a countermeasure against the guests who wreak havoc in the forum under various aliases (though it was perhaps badly executed).  After seeing the nude picture Shocked in the General Chess section, I am tending more to agree with TopNotch that only registered users should be allowed to post.  Especially when there are inactive forum monitors.

Even though sometimes my behavior may be a bad example, I hope you understand where was I coming from.
  

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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #110 - 07/27/05 at 16:58:09
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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #109 - 07/27/05 at 15:20:07
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Here is my response:

This is the real Lev D. Zilbermints writing. All responses with spelling other than "Zilbermints" are not valid. People posting under "Zilbermint" and "Zilbermintz"
are imposters.

  MNb and X, you should be ashamed to impersonate other people. I do not pretend to be someone I am not.
You do. Last I looked, impersonating someone is punishable by law in this country. I believe the proper term is "identity theft".  People who deliberately do identity theft are the scum of the earth, preying on decent, honest folks.

  From your posts, MNb and X, I take it you were just trying to make a point of me registering. Point taken, but you could have posted under your own handles.
In the future, I expect you to post under own handles.

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Reply #108 - 07/26/05 at 22:46:20
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Hit the nail on the head, MNb.  (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

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Reply #107 - 07/26/05 at 20:47:35
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Lev, why do you post as a guest then? This example shows the disadvantage of it.
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Reply #106 - 07/26/05 at 18:35:49
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Unfortunately, guests do not have the liberty to edit their posts.

Why don't you register, Lev?  (Registration is free.)


I already registered.
  
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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #105 - 07/25/05 at 20:38:31
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Unfortunately, guests do not have the liberty to edit their posts.

Why don't you register, Lev?  (Registration is free.)
  

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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #104 - 07/25/05 at 19:24:33
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Wow!! Now he's quoting himself  Roll Eyes

I thought referring to oneself in the third person was reserved for Royalty.

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Reply #103 - 07/24/05 at 22:16:29
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I would like to post two games with the Zilbermints Gambit in the Euwe Defense. Both were played just today, under different time controls, on the Internet Chess Club.

Game 1:

Zilbermints - TaoPhoenix 
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5 0 unrated blitz
24 July 2005

1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 ef3 5 Nxf3 e6 6 Bg5 Be7
7 Bd3 Nc6 8 00 Nxd4 9 Kh1 c5

I call 9...c5 the Counter-Strike Sub-Variation.

Here it should be noted that my opponent only gave 10 Be3? as White's move. I challenged him to a match... and these two games were the result.

10 Nxd4! Qxd4 

Well, his 10 Be3 went out the window.

11 Bxf6 Bxf6 12 Ne4 Be7 13 c3 Qd5  14 Qf3 00 15 Rad1 c6  16 Nf6+!? Bxf6  17 Be4 Qc7 18 Bxh7+! Kxh7  19 Qh5+ Kg8  20 Rxf6! Rd8  21 Rxd8 Qxd8 22 Qxf7+ Kh7

Here I could have forced the draw with 23 Qh5+ Kg8, 24 Qf7+. Instead, I blundered.

23 Rf3?? Qd1+! 24 Rf1 Qg4 25 h3 Qg6 26 Qe8 e5  27 Rf7 Bxh3! 0-1

The next game was much better. Every single move, from beginning to end, was analysed by me years earlier. This was the first time the analysis was tested in practice. My folder shows that I first analyzed this move order on 14 January 1998 !

Game 2:

Zilbermints - TaoPhoenix
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17 minutes with 17 seconds increment, unrated
24 July 2005


(Moves 1-9 as in Game 1) 10 Bxf6 Bxf6  11 Ne4  Be7
12 Nxd4 cxd4 13 Qh5  g6  14 Qh6 f5  15 Qg7 Rg8  16 Qxh7 fxe4  17 Bb5+!  Bd7  18 Qxg6+  1-0 


CORRECTION. 

15 Qg7 Rf8 NOT 15...f5
  
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Reply #102 - 07/24/05 at 22:13:11
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I would like to post two games with the Zilbermints Gambit in the Euwe Defense. Both were played just today, under different time controls, on the Internet Chess Club.

Game 1:

Zilbermints - TaoPhoenix 
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5 0 unrated blitz
24 July 2005

1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 ef3 5 Nxf3 e6 6 Bg5 Be7
7 Bd3 Nc6 8 00 Nxd4 9 Kh1 c5

I call 9...c5 the Counter-Strike Sub-Variation.

Here it should be noted that my opponent only gave 10 Be3? as White's move. I challenged him to a match... and these two games were the result.

10 Nxd4! Qxd4 

Well, his 10 Be3 went out the window.

11 Bxf6 Bxf6 12 Ne4 Be7 13 c3 Qd5  14 Qf3 00 15 Rad1 c6  16 Nf6+!? Bxf6  17 Be4 Qc7 18 Bxh7+! Kxh7  19 Qh5+ Kg8  20 Rxf6! Rd8  21 Rxd8 Qxd8 22 Qxf7+ Kh7

Here I could have forced the draw with 23 Qh5+ Kg8, 24 Qf7+. Instead, I blundered.

23 Rf3?? Qd1+! 24 Rf1 Qg4 25 h3 Qg6 26 Qe8 e5  27 Rf7 Bxh3! 0-1

The next game was much better. Every single move, from beginning to end, was analysed by me years earlier. This was the first time the analysis was tested in practice. My folder shows that I first analyzed this move order on 14 January 1998 !

Game 2:

Zilbermints - TaoPhoenix
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17 minutes with 17 seconds increment, unrated
24 July 2005


(Moves 1-9 as in Game 1) 10 Bxf6 Bxf6  11 Ne4  Be7
12 Nxd4 cxd4 13 Qh5  g6  14 Qh6 f5  15 Qg7 f5  16 Qxh7 fxe4  17 Bb5+!  Bd7  18 Qxg6+  1-0 
  
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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #101 - 07/22/05 at 16:47:17
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Oh Markovich, it's because you are in vacation that I have not put my move now. I am 80% sure of my next move but the time you are back I still can change it and I havent seen the benefict to post my move now if you come back only the 26.
  
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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #100 - 07/22/05 at 15:16:26
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Yeah, Patrik Schoupal, Teyko, Lev Zilbermints, Peter Leisebein, others guys and myself are in the BDG sect and our gourou is Diemer, even if he is dead now he says to us to continue to play it to keep it alive Cheesy you didn't know?

More seriously, Iam 21 y old and iam playing chess tournaments for about 4 years (more if I count my pauses)and I only play "big systems" like sicilian najdorf against e4 and Grunfeld style against d4 and other closed games and I played "normal" chess with White, only e4 and basics theory and like you, I never heard about the BDG but it does about 1 year when I discovered it and my first impression is that this gambit could be practicaly an entire repertoire for White after 1.d4 if you know the BDG and the french with white, and know of to face some benoni deviations or modern style by Black with g6 then it is playable. And since I discovered it, I began to study if it was really playable and I search about some theory and I never stoped to play it on blitz and improving my actual analysis in CC games  Actually im pretty sure that the BDG is playable in CC game, Leisebein is actually the best defender of the BDG by CC and have pretty good results after lots and lots of games. In blitz BDG does really good too. But Iam not sure I would play it in a tournament game over the board with a classical time limit. BDG in that type of chess is very difficult to play, because the best moves are not often easy to choose and you often have to play the best moves to draw or win. This is the big reason of the unpopularity of the BDG in a tournament play. The other reason is that this gambit is just underrated and quite unknown by a lot of players, and if you want to try this gambit you have to know a lot of "classical variations" to crunch an unprepared opponent or to not lose quickly because you did not know the best move. It does exist a real "theory" but you have to do a lot of work to find it. If I feel "well-prepared" I will probably try it on a tournament game but for the moment I limit to the blitz or CC game.


Yes, well, where is your move in ArKhein-Markovich?  I'm on vacation until 7-26, you aren't.

Words, words, words!  So many words from the defenders of this gambit.  Fortunately, words don't decide chess games.
  

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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #99 - 07/22/05 at 01:31:51
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Enough BSing.

I'm interested in the 9 ... h6 line, could Lev or someone else provide mainlines or sample games with a little bit of analysis?

It looks a little hazy after 10 Nxd4 hxg5 for white, so I'm wondering what you guys play against this...

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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #98 - 07/22/05 at 00:16:07
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@lost highway

I'm not sure why you are hassling Sevenviolets here.  He gave some lines for white to illustrate the potential dangers of the attack, and demonstrate -- rather convincingly, I might add -- the danger of overreliance on computer engines to check critical lines.

He also provided the best moves for black, and showed that both lines were, in fact, refuted.  Sure, he didn't elaborate on the refutations, but he obviously wasn't hiding them.  I'm not sure what else you need...

Regarding the newest game posted by ArKheiN:

1. e4 d5 2. d4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 e6 6.   
Bg5 Be7 7. Bd3 Nc6 8. O-O Nxd4 9. Kh1 c5 10. Ne5 O-O 11.Qe1 Nd5 12.Bxe7 Qxe7 13.Qg3 Qc7! seems much more convincing to me.  Obviously, 13...f6 is a blunder once one realizes that 14.Ng6 is possible.

I don't see any promising continuations after Qc7 for white, but certainly black's defensive task is not over, and there may be some surprises.
  
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