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Reply #127 - 07/29/05 at 18:21:30
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My point was to prove that BDG is a weak and boring opening for players above 2000. And i did!


"Trump" trumped himself Grin

He could not find good games of mine... but I could!

Zilbermints vs. T- Fatin (IM Tarek Fatin of Egypt)
5 0 rated blitz
Internet Chess Club
5 February 2005

BLACKMAR - DIEMER GAMBIT
Teichmann Defense


1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 ef3 5 Nxf3 Bg4  6 h3 Bh5
7 g4 Bg6 8 Ne5 c6  9 Bc4 e6  10 g5 Ne4  11 Nxg6 Nxc3
12 bxc3 hxg6  13 Qf3 Bd6  14 00 00  15 h4 Nd7  16 h5 gxh5  17 Qxh5 g6  18 Qh6  Qe7  19 Rf3 e5   20 Rh3, 1- 0


Zilbermints vs. T- Fatin
5 0 rated blitz
ICC
17 January 2005

VON POPIEL (POLISH) GAMBIT

1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 Bg5  Bf5  5 Bxf6 ef6  6 g4 Bg6  7 Qe2 Qxd4  8 Qb5+ Nd7  9 Rd1 c6  10 Qxb7, 1- 0.


Zilbermints - IM Aly Yasseen (Egypt)
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17 June 2005

BLACKMAR - DIEMER GAMBIT
Euwe Defense

1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6  4 f3 ef3 5 Nxf3 e6  6 Bg5 c5
7 Bxf6 Qxf6  8 Bb5+ Bd7  9 00 cxd4  10 Ne4  Qf5  11 Bxd7 Nxd7 12 Nfg5  Qe5  13 Nxf7 Qxe4  14 Nxh8 OOO
15 Nf7 Re8  16 Qd3 Qxd3  17 cxd3 Kb8  18 Ng5 h6  19 Ne4 Ne5  20 Rfd1  Rc8  21 Rac1 Rxc1  22 Rxc1 Nxd3  23 Rd1 Nxb2  24 Rxd4  Be7  25 Rd7 Bf6  26 Nxf6 gf6  27 Rf7 e5  28 Rxf6  Nd3  29 Rxh6 b5  30 Rd6 e4  31 Rd4 Kc7  32 Rxe4 a5  33 Rd4  Nb4  34 a3 Nc2  35 Rd3 Kb6  36 h4 Nxa3  37 Rxa3 b4  38 Ra1 b3  39 h5 a4   40 Rxa4 Kb5  41 Ra8 1- 0. 

Zilbermints - NM Todd Lunna (2271 USCF)
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14 January 1996

BDG: Euwe Defense

1 d4 d5 2 e4 e6  3 Nc3 Nf6  4 Bg5 de4 5 f3 exf3 6 Nxf3 Be7 7 Bd3 Nbd7 8 00 a6  9 Qe1 h6  10 Bd2 b5  11 Kh1 Bb7  12 Rd1 c5  13 dc5  Nxc5  14 Be2 Qc7  15 Ne5 Rd8
16 Bf4 Rd1  17 Bxd1 Bd6 18 b4 Ne4 19 Ne4 Bxe4 20 Nxf7! Kxf7 21 Bxd6 Qxd6 22 QxB Rd8 23 Bh5+ Kg8 24 Qg6 Qd5?? Ooops!

The conclusion was:
 
25 Qf7+ Kh8  26 Rxf6! gf6 27 Qxf6+  Kh7  28 Bg6+, Black resigns.
  
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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #126 - 07/29/05 at 12:37:08
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YAWN!  Wink

Of course, people are entitled to talk about what they wish and I am free to ignore it if I choose, but am I the only one who finds this ceaseless jabbering about the BDG irksome?

Doesn't anyone have anything to say about any of the other "d-pawn specials"?!  I find myself yearning for the London System all of a sudden ...


Why, you deeply prejudiced gambit-hater, you!  What are you, one of those small-advantage-accumulating "technicians of victory?"  Haven't you learned that chess is a horribly boring game if not played in gambit fashion? That anything, anything, is better than having to learn chess technique?  Don't you know that gaining some structural advantage and then patiently working your way to a won endgame in fact demonstrates your miserable cowardice?  And still worse -- oh the horror! -- is to win a pawn.

One must always attack, always find a way to gambit, and what more certain path to a gambit-style game than Blackmar Diemer?  All else is measly, cringing, technical, grubbing and stupefying, not to say challenging to our desire to remain chess juniors forever!   

Leave off your pursuit of deep chess knowledge and technical mastery!  Join us in our quest to demonstrate that chess is the same, simple game that we knew when we were 12!  Then someday you, like the immortal Diemers, Studiers and Gunderams that preceded you, may have your name inscribed on a Blackmar-Diemer Gambit variation!
  

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Reply #125 - 07/29/05 at 11:59:56
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Doesn't anyone have anything to say about any of the other "d-pawn specials"?!  I find myself yearning for the London System all of a sudden ...

Well, you wıll have to admıt that there ıs lıttle doubt that the LS just throws away any advantage whıte may have had, but could not possibly be losıng. In that sense the BDG is much more interesting, as one might be able to refute ıt.
  
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Reply #124 - 07/29/05 at 03:55:59
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YAWN!  Wink

Of course, people are entitled to talk about what they wish and I am free to ignore it if I choose, but am I the only one who finds this ceaseless jabbering about the BDG irksome?

Doesn't anyone have anything to say about any of the other "d-pawn specials"?!  I find myself yearning for the London System all of a sudden ...
  

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Reply #123 - 07/28/05 at 20:57:10
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Gambit LDZ wrote: "1 d4 Nf6 2 f3 d6 3 e4 Bg7 4 Qd2 Bg7 5 Nc3 00 6 Bh6! getting rid of the pesky Bg7."
Correcting the typos, I think he means 1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 d6 3.e4 g6 (e5 is possible) 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 o-o 6.Nc3 (6.Bh6 e5! or Bxh6 7.Qxh6 c5!) c6 7.Bh6.

This is not the KID-Sämisch, but the Argentinian Attack of the Pirc. 6...c6? is almost a blunder; the countergambit 6...e5 7.d5 c6 (Zaitsjik) is the way to go. And after 6...c6? not only 7.Bh6 is possible, 7.h4 and 7.o-o-o might also be strong.

Black might consider 5...c6 and even 4...c6, but White has still the option of playing the KID-Sämisch of course.

I also think, that 1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 c5 3.d5 is a Benoni, with White having limited his options. At the other 2.Nc3 d5 3.e4 Nxe4 is the Hübsch Gambit. According to another thread it is under a cloud.
Conclusion: after 1.d4 Nf6 Black can avoid the BDG without much effort.
  

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Re: BDG: ZILBERMINTS GAMBIT IN EUWE DEFENSE
Reply #122 - 07/28/05 at 18:58:05
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Once again, I'd like to request info on 9 ... h6.

Concerning this 'Trump' fellow, searching through someone's blitz games to find a few losses is useless.  You could've made more of a point by posting games 60+ minutes.   

While I do find some of Lev's openings quirky, anyone who has read this forum for a long time knows I quite like the BDG and would willingly play it anytime.  It's quite easy to tell that it's a strong gambit.  That's because there are so many (probably as many who play the BDG) people trying to find a quick and easy solution to the opening, with no luck.

Don't hate the opening just because you can't beat it.

I can tell you, from the white side of the game, the hardest variation for me is probably Bogo's line.  Wink

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Reply #121 - 07/28/05 at 14:56:22
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Sorry but you prooved nothing..

Iam sure Lev has a good score on blitz with his BDG, I have a nice score on it myself. BDG is clearly a good opening to play on Blitz, and it has not been refuted on CC play. You have to find something else to show to the readers that the BDG is bad, and that will not be that easy, see for example a GM like Eric Prié who is searching an easy game for black, he still have not find that yet.
  
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Reply #120 - 07/28/05 at 14:39:30
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My point was to prove that BDG is a weak and boring opening for players above 2000. And i did!
  
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Reply #119 - 07/28/05 at 11:06:42
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After 1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 d6 3.e4 g6 is not uncommon. White can choose to transpose in the Sämisch with c4 and Nc3 or can play differently with Be3 or Nc3 but I am not an expert of 2.f3 since I only play 2.Nc3 to reach the BDG but has the "negative" effect to allows the Hübsch gambit, but that's not a big problem. 

Maybe the more testing move against 2.f3 is ..c5 where 3.d5 is a benoni where White played f3.
  
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Reply #118 - 07/28/05 at 10:51:39
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Lev,

Out of curiosity, what would you likely play against an opponent who doesn't push d5?  1 d4 Nf6 2 f3 d6--this looks as though it could tend toward a Samisch KID.  Do BDGers have plans for players more inclined to prefer Indian defenses?


Yes, I get the Saemisch Indian a lot. The way to play against it is 1 d4 Nf6 2 f3 d6 3 e4 Bg7 4 Qd2 Bg7 5 Nc3 00 6 Bh6! getting rid of the pesky Bg7. With the Bishop gone, most Black players do not know what to do.

The second point is that 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nc3 d5  3 e4 c5 is not even a BDG! As was pointed out here earlier, it can transpose to an Advance Variation of the French Defense.

Thirdly, I can post a lot of nice wins against T-Fatin (IM Tarek Fatin  of Egypt) with the BDG. Yes, in the games I lost, I did not play the best moves. So what? That happens to many players in various openings and time controls. 

More to come later.
  
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Reply #117 - 07/28/05 at 08:29:17
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Lev,

Out of curiosity, what would you likely play against an opponent who doesn't push d5?  1 d4 Nf6 2 f3 d6--this looks as though it could tend toward a Samisch KID.  Do BDGers have plans for players more inclined to prefer Indian defenses?
  

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Reply #116 - 07/28/05 at 07:43:37
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To defend the BDG I would say that Lev did not play the best moves on the opening to me.
1. d4 Nf6 2. f3 d5 3. e4 c5 and here I think the best is 4.e5 leading to a french with a pawn f3 but it will go on f4. But I would play 2.Nc3 instead of 2.f3 but I know that 2.f3 is OK

1. d4 Nf6 2. f3 d5 3. e4 dxe4 4. Nc3 Bf5 (the Vienna defense) 5. g4 (Qf3 is another good alternative)Bg6 6.g5 Nd5 7.fxe4 Nxc3 8.bxc3 Bxe4 9.Nf3 is the modern way to play with White instead of Lev's 6.h4


  
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Reply #115 - 07/28/05 at 06:28:47
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I'm sure Lev can provide at least as many convincing wins--this kind of anecdotal evidence isn't terribly helpful.  I maintain that this kind of time control isn't very indicative of anything when it comes to chess opening theory...
  

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Reply #114 - 07/28/05 at 03:32:59
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How playable is the Blackmar-Diemer. Well on the internet i found these games casting doubt on it whne faced with strong opposition:





ICC 4. January 2005
Zilbermints -GnamGnam
Time controll 5 0


1. d4 Nf6 2. f3 d5 3. e4 dxe4 4. Nc3 Bf5 5. g4 Bg6 6. h4 h5 7. g5 Nd5 8. Bg2
Nxc3 9. bxc3 exf3 10. Qxf3 c6 11. Ne2 e6 12. Nf4 Bf5 13. Qf2 Bd6 14. O-O Nd7
15. Rb1 Qc7 16. Bd2 g6 17. Rb2 O-O 18. Qe3 Rae8 19. Rfb1 b6 20. Nd3 e5 21.
d5 e4 22. Nf2 Bc5 23. Qe1 e3 {White resigns} 0-1



ICC 21. July 2004
Zilbermints-Blackjadder
Time controll 3 0

1. d4 Nf6 2. f3 d5 3. e4 c5 4. dxc5 e5 5. exd5 Bxc5 6. Nc3 O-O 7. Bc4 a6 8.
a4 Bf5 9. Nge2 Nbd7 10. Ng3 Bg6 11. Bb3 Rc8 12. Nge4 Ba7 13. Bg5 Qb6 14. Qe2
Nxe4 15. fxe4 Nc5 16. Be7 Nxb3 17. cxb3 Qxb3 18. Bxf8 Rxc3 19. Ra3 Rc1+ 20.
Kd2 Qc2# {White checkmated} 0-1



ICC 17. July 2004
Zilbermints-Blackjadder
Time controll 3 0

1. d4 Nf6 2. f3 d5 3. e4 c5 4. Nc3 cxd4 5. Qxd4 Nc6 6. Bb5 e6 7. Bg5 Be7 8.
O-O-O O-O 9. exd5 Nxd4 10. Rxd4 Nxd5 11. Bxe7 Qxe7 12. Nxd5 exd5 13. Ne2
Qg5+ 14. Kb1 Qxg2 15. Rg1 Qxf3 16. Rf4 Qe3 17. Rg3 Qe5 18. Rf1 Bf5 19. Rgf3
Be4 20. Rg3 Rac8 21. Nc3 f5 22. Bd7 Rxc3 23. bxc3 f4 24. Rg4 f3 25. Kb2 Qxh2
26. Ba4 Qg2 27. Rxg2 fxg2 28. Rg1 Rf1 29. Rxg2 Bxg2 30. Bb5 h5 31. Bxf1 Bxf1
32. Kc1 Bc4 33. a3 Kf7 34. Kd2 Kf6 35. Ke3 Ke5 {White resigns} 0-1


ICC 29.May 2004
Zilbermints- Lenar
Time controll 5 0

1. d4 Nf6 2. f3 d5 3. e4 dxe4 4. Nc3 Bf5 5. g4 Bg6 6. h4 h6 7. Bg2 Qd6 8.
Rh3 exf3 9. Qxf3 c6 10. Nge2 Nbd7 11. Bf4 Qb4 12. O-O-O e6 13. g5 Nd5 14.
Nxd5 cxd5 15. Nc3 h5 16. Bf1 a6 17. Bd3 Bxd3 18. Qxd3 g6 19. Re3 Be7 20.
Nxd5 exd5 21. Rde1 O-O 22. Rxe7 Nb6 23. Rxb7 Rfe8 24. Rxe8+ Rxe8 25. c3 Qa4
26. Be3 Nc4 27. Bd2 Qxa2 28. Kc2 Na3+ 29. Kd1 Nc4 30. Kc2 Re4 31. Qf3 Na3+
32. Kd1 Qb1+ 33. Bc1 Qc2# {White checkmated} 0-1


ICC 23. Mars 2004
Zilbermints- T-Fatin
Time controll 5 0

1. d4 Nf6 2. f3 d5 3. e4 dxe4 4. Nc3 exf3 5. Nxf3 e6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bd3 O-O
8. O-O h6 9. Bd2 c5 10. dxc5 Bxc5+ 11. Kh1 Nc6 12. a3 a6 13. Qc1 Nh7 14.
Bxh6 gxh6 15. Qxh6 f5 16. Nh4 Qf6 17. Ng6 Ne5 18. Qxf8+ Nxf8 19. Nxf8 Bxf8
20. Ne4 Qh4 21. Ng3 Nxd3 22. cxd3 Bd6 23. Rf3 e5 24. Nxf5 Bxf5 25. Rxf5 e4
26. g3 Bxg3 {White resigns} 0-1

All these games show how weak an opening BDG is against decent opposition. White was very well beated in all these games, indeed.

  
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Reply #113 - 07/27/05 at 20:52:42
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While I fully agree with the content of X' post, I do not feel ashamed. As LDZ has taken my point, my goal is achieved. To comfort him, I can tell him that it happened to me two times. Those imposters did not make themself known, like X and I did. 

"I deliberately mispelled your name and included "X" at the end of the message"
So I doubt, if X and I are punishable for identity theft.

As I intended it as a one time joke, I can promise LDZ, that I will not do it again.
Shall we get back to serious business again?
  

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