Challenge Match in thematic Zilbermint´s Gambit took place on ICC chess server. 10x 5mins games were played. 

Lev D. Zilbermints vs Sevenviolets

Lev is rated about 2150 in blitz, Seven about 1850 in blitz (but over 2200 in 5 mins). * Well, no more, today I ruined my rating under 2000

White won the match 6 to 4

Congratulations to the winner!

Games appendix:
1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 e6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bd3 Nc6
8. O-O Nxd4 9. Kh1 Nc6 10. Qe1 Nd5 11. Bxe7 Qxe7 12. Qg3 Nxc3 13. Qxg7 Rf8
14. Qxc3 Bd7 15. Be4 O-O-O 16. Rad1 f5 17. Bd3 Qb4 18. Qg7 Qg4 19. Qxg4 fxg4
20. Ng5 h6 21. Nf7 Rde8 22. Nxh6 e5 23. Nf7 Be6 24. Ng5 Bd5 25. Bf5+ Kb8 26.
Rxd5 Nd4 27. Bd3 Nxc2 28. Rxf8 Rxf8 29. Kg1 Ne3 30. Rd7 Kc8 31. Rf7 Rd8 32.
Be2 Rd2 33. Kf2 Nd1+ 34. Ke1 Rxb2 35. Kxd1 b6 36. Ne6 Rxa2 37. Rxc7+ Kb8 38.
Bxg4 Rxg2 39. Bf3 Rxh2 40. Rb7+ Kc8 41. Rxa7 Rh6 42. Ng5 Rd6+ 43. Ke1 b5 44.
Ne4 Rd4 45. Ra5 b4 46. Rb5 Kc7 47. Nd2 Kd6 48. Ke2 Ke6 49. Nb3 Rc4 50. Bd5+
Kf5 51. Bxc4 {Black resigns} 1-0



1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 e6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bd3 Nc6
8. O-O Nxd4 9. Kh1 c5 10. Bxf6 Bxf6 11. Ne4 b6 12. Nxd4 cxd4 13. Qf3 Rb8 14.
Nxf6+ gxf6 15. Bb5+ Kf8 16. Qh3 f5 17. Qh6+ Kg8 18. Rf3 f4 19. Qxf4 Bb7 20.
Qxf7# {Black checkmated} 1-0
11..b6? seems to be not the ticket. 

1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 e6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bd3 Nc6
8. O-O Nxd4 9. Kh1 c6 10. a3 h6 11. Bxf6 Bxf6 12. Ne4 Nxf3 13. Qxf3 Bd7 14.
Rad1 Qe7 15. b4 O-O-O 16. c4 Rhf8 17. b5 Kb8 18. a4 Bd4 19. a5 f5 20. Ng3 g5
21. a6 Qc5 22. axb7 e5 23. Bxf5 cxb5 24. cxb5 Bxb5 25. Rfe1 Bc6 26. Qg4 Bf2
27. Rxd8+ Rxd8 28. Ne4 Bxe4 29. Qxe4 Bxe1 30. Qxe1 Rf8 31. g4 h5 32. h3 hxg4
33. hxg4 Rh8+ 34. Kg2 Rd8 35. Qe2 Rd4 36. Qa2 Qd5+ 37. Qxd5 Rxd5 38. Kf3 Rd4
39. Ke3 Kxb7 {White resigns} 0-1


1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 e6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bd3 Nc6
8. O-O Nxd4 9. Kh1 c6 10. Qe1 Nxf3 11. Rxf3 Bd7 12. Rd1 Qc7 13. Qf1 h6 14.
Bxf6 gxf6 15. Ne4 f5 16. Ng3 O-O-O 17. Re1 h5 18. Nxf5 exf5 19. Rxe7 Qd6 20.
Rxd7 Kxd7 21. Bxf5+ Kc7 22. Rd3 Qe5 23. Ra3 Qxf5 24. Rf3 Qe6 25. Rxf7+ Kb8
26. h3 Rd1 27. Qxd1 Qxf7 28. Qd6+ Qc7 29. Qf6 Rd8 30. Qf3 Re8 31. Qf2 Qe5
32. Kg1 Qe1+ {White resigns} 0-1


1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 e6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bd3 Nc6
8. O-O Nxd4 9. Kh1 c6 10. Bxf6 gxf6 11. Nxd4 Qxd4 12. Qh5 Bd7 13. Rad1 Qc5
14. Qh6 O-O-O 15. Ne4 Qb6 16. Nxf6 Bxf6 17. Qxf6 h5 18. b3 h4 19. h3 Rhe8
20. Qxf7 e5 21. Be4 Be6 22. Rxd8+ Qxd8 23. Qf2 Kb8 24. Qe2 Bd5 25. Rd1 Qa5
26. a4 Qc5 27. Qh5 Qe7 28. Bxd5 cxd5 29. Rxd5 e4 30. Qe2 Qa3 31. Rd1 e3 32.
Kh2 Qb2 33. Rd3 Qe5+ 34. Kh1 Qf4 35. Kg1 Qg3 36. Rd1 Rg8 37. Rd3 Re8 38. Rd1
Qf4 39. Rf1 Qd4 40. Rd1 Qe4 41. Rd3 {Game drawn by mutual agreement} 1/2-1/2

1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 e6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bd3 Nc6
8. O-O Nxd4 9. Kh1 c6 10. Bxf6 gxf6 11. Nxd4 Qxd4 12. Qh5 Bd7 13. Rad1 Qc5
14. Qxc5 Bxc5 15. Ne4 Be7 16. Nxf6+ Bxf6 17. Rxf6 Ke7 18. Rdf1 Raf8 19. Rh6
f5 20. Re1 Rf6 21. Rh4 h5 22. Rf4 Kf7 23. Bc4 Re8 24. Ref1 Kg6 25. R4f3 b5
26. Bd3 Ref8 27. Rg3+ Kh6 28. Re1 a6 29. c4 b4 30. c5 Re8 31. Bxa6 e5 32.
Bc4 e4 33. Rge3 Be6 34. Bxe6 Rfxe6 35. g3 Kg5 36. Kg2 f4 37. gxf4+ Kxf4 38.
Kf2 Re5 39. Rc1 Ra8 40. a3 bxa3 41. bxa3 Ra5 42. Rec3 e3+ 43. Ke2 Rb5 44.
Rc4+ Kf5 45. R1c2 Rb3 46. R4c3 Rb5 47. Rxe3 Rexc5 48. Rxc5+ Rxc5 49. Kd2 Kf4
50. Rc3 Ra5 51. Rd3 c5 52. Rd5 Kg4 53. Rd3 c4 54. Rd4+ Kg5 55. Rxc4 Rxa3 56.
Rc2 Rh3 57. Kc1 Kg4 58. Kd1 h4 59. Ke1 Kf3 60. Rc3+ Kg2 61. Rc2+ Kg1 62. Re2
Rxh2 63. Rxh2 Kxh2 64. Kf2 h3 65. Kf1 Kh1 66. Kf2 Kh2 67. Kf1 Kg3 68. Kg1
Kf3 69. Kh2 Kg4 70. Kh1 Kf5 71. Kh2 Ke6 72. Kxh3
{Game drawn because neither player has mating material}
1/2-1/2


1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 e6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bd3 Nc6
8. O-O Nxd4 9. Kh1 Nc6 10. Qe1 h6 11. Bd2 Nb4 12. Bb5+ c6 13. Ba4 Nbd5 14.
Bb3 Nxc3 15. Bxc3 Bd7 16. Rd1 Qc7 17. Be5 Qa5 18. Qxa5 {Black resigns} 1-0
Bad luck. Here black blundered enormously, giving his queen on spot with 17..Qa5??

1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 e6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bd3 Nc6
8. O-O Nxd4 9. Kh1 Nc6 10. Qe1 h6 11. Bf4 Nd5 12. Bd2 Nxc3 13. Bxc3 Bf6 14.
Bd2 Qe7 15. Qg3 Bd7 16. Qxc7 O-O 17. Qg3 Kh8 18. c3 Rad8 19. Bf4 e5 20. Rae1
exf4 21. Qxf4 Qc5 22. Bb1 Ne7 23. Nd4 Ng6 24. Bxg6 fxg6 25. Qe4 Qg5 26. Rd1
Bxd4 27. Qxd4 Bc6 28. Rxf8+ Rxf8 29. Rg1 Rd8 30. Qf2 Rd2 31. Qf8+ Kh7 32.
Qf1 Rxb2 33. h3 Rxa2 34. Kh2 Rxg2+ 35. Rxg2 Qxg2+ 36. Qxg2 Bxg2 37. Kxg2 a5
38. Kf3 g5 39. Ke2 Kg6 40. Kd3 Kh5 {White resigns} 0-1


1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 e6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bd3 Nc6
8. O-O Nxd4 9. Kh1 c5 10. Nxd4 cxd4 11. Bxf6 gxf6 12. Ne4 Bd7 13. Qf3 f5 14.
Qh5 Qb6 15. Ng5 Bxg5 16. Qxg5 Qd6 17. Qf6 Rf8 18. Rae1 Qe7 19. Qxf5 O-O-O
20. Qa5 Kb8 21. Qe5+ Ka8 22. Qxd4 Bc6 23. Qf2 Qg5 24. Re3 Rd5 25. Rg3 Qe5
26. Re1 Qd6 27. Rf3 f5 28. Rfe3 e5 29. Bxf5 Bd7 30. Rf3 Bxf5 31. Rxf5 Rxf5
32. Qxf5 {Black forfeits on time} 1-0


1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 e6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bd3 Nc6
8. O-O Nxd4 9. Kh1 c5 10. Nxd4 cxd4 11. Bxf6 gxf6 12. Ne4 f5 13. Bb5+ Bd7
14. Qxd4 Rg8 15. Bxd7+ Qxd7 16. Nf6+ Bxf6 17. Qxf6 Qe7 18. Qd4 Rd8 19. Qa4+
Kf8 20. Qxa7 Qg5 21. Qc5+ Ke8 22. Qb5+ Rd7 23. Rg1 Qd2 24. Rad1 Rxg2 25.
Rxd2 Rxd2 26. Rg8+ Ke7 27. Qb4+ Kf6 28. Qc3+ Ke7 29. Rg1 f4 30. Qc5+ R7d6
31. Qg5+ Kd7 32. Qxf4 Rxc2 33. Qxf7+ Kc6 34. Qf3+ Rd5 35. Rd1 Rc5 36. Rxd5
exd5 37. Qf6+ Kb5 38. Qf1+ Kc6 39. Qf7 Rc1+ 40. Kg2 Rc2+ 41. Kh3 Rxb2 42.
Qxh7 Rxa2 43. Qg6+ Kb5 44. Qd3+ Kc5 45. Qc3+ Kd6 46. Qb4+ Ke5 47. Qxb7 Ra3+
48. Kh4 Re3 49. Qe7+ Kd4 50. Qf6+ Kd3 51. h3 d4 52. Qf5+ Re4+ 53. Kg3 Ke3
54. Qf1 d3 55. Qe1+ Kd4 56. Qa1+ Kc4 57. Kf3 Rd4 58. Qd1 d2 59. Ke3 Rd3+ 60.
Ke4 Kc3 61. Qa1+ Kc2 62. Qa4+ Kc1 63. Qc4+ Kd1 64. Qxd3 {Black resigns} 1-0


I had quite a bad time using 9..c5 line, I lost all three games. In other lines I scored reasonably. For example in 9..c6 line 2 draws and two wins. Therefore this line should be recommended even for Blitz play. Patrik Schoupal a.k.a. Sevenviolets

Well, that's what they said about the Evans Gambit... and now look at it!! It is enjoying a revival, thanks to Kasparov!
But I do agree with you on one thing: 8 Nxf7 is too complicated, even for me. That is why I played the Sadler line in the few games (Zilbermints-Irina Krush, New York 1995) I had with the Gunderam Defense.

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I used to play the Schliemann myself, many years ago.  Have not played it as often,  simply because I switched to the Philidor Counter Gambit, the Latvian Gambit, and the occasional Elephant Gambit. From what I remember, the Schliemann is playable, provided Black makes the best moves.

I still play the Schliemann (Jaenisch) now and then, but it is just that after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 I no longer play 2...Nc6 , as I used to in the old days.

 You keep talking about Belka-Neumeyer line in the Gunderam Defense being unsound.  Perhaps with computers you might even find the best moves. But in an over-the-board  tournament, man-to-man, that is just not going to happen. Unlike computers, the human mind can make mistakes in calculations.

 Perhaps even in correspondence chess, a computer  will find a way to rejuvenate the B-N line in the Gunderam. The last word has not been said yet!

Just to give another example in the BDG of a very interesting sacrifice but definitely unsound in a precise line : The Belka-Neumeyer in the Tartakower-Gunderam Variation : 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf3 5.Nxf3 Bf5 6.Ne5 e6 7.g4 Be4(Stader system)8.Nxf7!?(the standard move is 8.Nxe4 Nxe4 9.Qf3) and Leisebein himself tryied 8.Nxf7 somes games with success, this was really a good sacrifice with his new theory, but now, the refutation have been found (a really hard one to find but a clearly one)so it would be too risky to play this line again because the "I hope my opponent don't know the refutation, if he doesn't I win, if not I lose" is too risky. No one have found it even in CC game again Leisebein (luck for him), but now that the refutation have been found, he will surely stay with the standard 8.Nxe4/9.Qf3 like the creators of the gambit: Belka and Neumeyer. But it was a really nice sacrifice and a very good idea, but that's not playable anymore (even if only 3 guys in the world know the refutation and can hope to play that line without fear for this reason, the refutation exist...)

But about the Zilbermints gambit, that's a very interesting idea too, but here too, it doesn't resist to a serious analysis but it's not that desesperate compared as the Belka-Neumeyer sacrifice. I just hope for you that none of your future opponents will know about the critical Leisebein-Fitzian game to adopt the same defense. I hope you just understood my point, like you know, I am a big BDG lover too, but I can stay objective.

It's not the first time we speak about Leisebein's tought on the zilbermints gambit. He think that the gambit is interesting, and to have an idea of his correctness, he used to play it like 10 CC games with it with success. But like I have said before in this thread, with his "final" analysis, he think that Black have -/+ with the best play, I think only Fitzian in the game list that you gave, have played that line where Leisebein fought hard to draw (63 moves), and have assessed -/+ himself after that game(after 1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 ef3 5 Nxf3 e6  6 Bg5 Be7  7 Bd3 Nc6 8 00 Nxd4  9 Kh1 c6  10 Nxd4 Qxd4 11 Qe1 Qc5 12 Qh4 h6  13 Ne4 Ne4 14 Be7 Qe7 15 Qxe4 f6). He did play 8.a3 much more(it's main move after 7..Nc6) than the Zilbermints gambit, and he will surely concentrate on 8.a3 because he doubt of the real compensation after Black's best defense in the Zilbermints gambit.

But of course, I haven't seen every of his games with the Zilbermints gambit, and I would be really interested to watch entirely the game against Fitzian, a critical game for the theory of your gambit. Could you send me the games in a pgn format by e-mail ?(normally you know my adress)

9..Nxf3 is surely the weakest "main" defense to the Zilbermints gambit. 9..c6 and even 9..c5 are surely the critical defenses to the Zilbermints gambit, my favourite is 9..c6 where I believe Black are better.

And another new blitz to show the "power" of your gambit, and with a 1500+ rated tournament, it should'nt be considered as a serious example to convince anyone to play it with White elsewhere than on blitz. I the Zilbermints gambit is a good blitz weapon against the Euwe defense, but with a longer time limit, it shouldn't resist to a serious analysis, like P. Leisebein have already shown.

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That is exactly what I said,  with different words, ArKheiN.