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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #68 - 08/07/05 at 15:01:47
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To Markovich : Iam ok to abort the game as advantagous for you if Iam going to be bad. But actually there is no reason to me to admit that Black have an advantage for the moment. Chess is first a fighting game, so, whatever is the result, I will not stop the fight until there is a real advantage. 

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For whatever it's worth, Sawyer's BDG Keybook gives 10. Bd3 Qxd4  11. Nxg6 fxg6! as significantly better for Black.


It's exactly what I say in my previous post, it's for that 10.Nxg6! hxg6 (fxg6 is bad here)and then 11.Fd3 is better in this move order.You can notice also 
that 10.Nxg6 hxg6 11.Be3 has not much independent signifiance compared to 10.Be3 like in our game.
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #67 - 08/07/05 at 10:51:02
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To Lev : I agree that Bd3 idea is interesting, and more in the spirit of the BDG, without fearing another loss of pawn, but it's also more risky. If you reread my post where I played 10.Be3, I wanted to play 10.Nxg6 (if 10.Bd3, Qxd4 11.Nxg6 fxg6!), and if he continues with hxg6, then 11.Bd3 at the same time in a separate game, because I think there is equality with the best play here too.
But for somes reasons, Markovich didn't want, but said that he wanted to play agaist it after our actual game is finished. So I choose 10.Be3, where I think it's equal with best play. In our actual game, It's quite hard to find a logical plan but who said that the BDG was easy to play with White?, maybe I already have played a micro error somewhere, but I still think I can manage for equality with the best play. If I still didn't play my new move actually, it's because I am comparing different lines after my next move, and I can't spend hours everydays to analyse because I am in Switzerland actually, with my family, but don't worry, I will play my move soon.


Since this is about the seach for BDG truth, anytime you are willing to concede that Black is better, I will be happy to leave off play of this line and take up another variation.  I am not terribly interested in battling here all the way to the ending, though I will if necessary.
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #66 - 08/07/05 at 10:29:57
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All right, everyone. I have been sitting on the sidelines, watching things develop. Right now my opinion is that White has to fight just to maintain equality in the given position after 17 moves. ArKheiN misplayed the opening. Here is my evaluation:

Instead of 10 Be3?! , which gives Black time to consolidate, White should play 10 Bd3 !? . Now if  10...Qd4 11 Nxg6 hg6 12 Rf1 Qd7 13 Be3 Bb4 14 000! keeps White's chances alive. In my line, even 13 Ne4! is good. White has a lot of pressure on the King-side and better development.

Now, I ask why not try 5...Bf5  6 Bc4 ? That is a matter of taste. However, it seems to me that 6 Bc4 might put more pressure on f7, and even prevent ...Nh5

Just my own two cents' worth.




For whatever it's worth, Sawyer's BDG Keybook gives 10. Bd3 Qxd4  11. Nxg6 fxg6! as significantly better for Black.
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #65 - 08/07/05 at 05:14:25
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To Lev : I agree that Bd3 idea is interesting, and more in the spirit of the BDG, without fearing another loss of pawn, but it's also more risky. If you reread my post where I played 10.Be3, I wanted to play 10.Nxg6 (if 10.Bd3, Qxd4 11.Nxg6 fxg6!), and if he continues with hxg6, then 11.Bd3 at the same time in a separate game, because I think there is equality with the best play here too.
But for somes reasons, Markovich didn't want, but said that he wanted to play agaist it after our actual game is finished. So I choose 10.Be3, where I think it's equal with best play. In our actual game, It's quite hard to find a logical plan but who said that the BDG was easy to play with White?, maybe I already have played a micro error somewhere, but I still think I can manage for equality with the best play. If I still didn't play my new move actually, it's because I am comparing different lines after my next move, and I can't spend hours everydays to analyse because I am in Switzerland actually, with my family, but don't worry, I will play my move soon.
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #64 - 08/07/05 at 00:23:41
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All right, everyone. I have been sitting on the sidelines, watching things develop. Right now my opinion is that White has to fight just to maintain equality in the given position after 17 moves. ArKheiN misplayed the opening. Here is my evaluation:

Instead of 10 Be3?! , which gives Black time to consolidate, White should play 10 Bd3 !? . Now if  10...Qd4 11 Nxg6 hg6 12 Rf1 Qd7 13 Be3 Bb4 14 000! keeps White's chances alive. In my line, even 13 Ne4! is good. White has a lot of pressure on the King-side and better development.

Now, I ask why not try 5...Bf5  6 Bc4 ? That is a matter of taste. However, it seems to me that 6 Bc4 might put more pressure on f7, and even prevent ...Nh5

Just my own two cents' worth.


  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #63 - 07/31/05 at 17:21:46
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Seeing how ArkheiN's idea of 16.Bd2,17.a3 with the idea of Bb4 (I think) was fairly easily repulsed by ...a5 (which doesn't seem to be all that weakening) perhaps White should have settled for something like 16.h4 
0-0-0 17.Kb1!? getting ready for c4 and trying to make the ...c5 and ...e5 breaks less attractive.


In all these lines, Black has an obvious source of counterplay in ...f7-f5 and, after the en passant exchange on f6, ...f5 and eventually ...e5.  It's slow, but it's not nothing.  Thus for example, 16. h4 0-0-0  17. Kb1, Black can consider 17...f5  18. gxf6 gxf6 intending ...f5.
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #62 - 07/30/05 at 20:08:34
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Seeing how ArkheiN's idea of 16.Bd2,17.a3 with the idea of Bb4 (I think) was fairly easily repulsed by ...a5 (which doesn't seem to be all that weakening) perhaps White should have settled for something like 16.h4 
0-0-0 17.Kb1!? getting ready for c4 and trying to make the ...c5 and ...e5 breaks less attractive.
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #61 - 07/29/05 at 18:00:34
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To Markovich : I think it could take a few days to me to find the best plan now. I have differents ideas but I can't decide for the moment which move I will choose.
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #60 - 07/28/05 at 22:19:32
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5

I shall be most interested to see where White will try to find his play now.
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #59 - 07/28/05 at 21:48:26
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"Hier stehe ich; ich kann nicht anders."
This statement had as a consequence 150 years of religious wars in Europe - in Ulster even until a few years ago. I hope that history will not repeat!


Well, as God, you should be able to tell us which side was in the right.
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #58 - 07/28/05 at 21:01:01
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"Hier stehe ich; ich kann nicht anders."
This statement had as a consequence 150 years of religious wars in Europe - in Ulster even until a few years ago. I hope that history will not repeat!
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #57 - 07/28/05 at 16:44:22
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #56 - 07/27/05 at 23:41:46
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0

I play the only move consistent with my idea of how the game is to be played.  Hier stehe ich; ich kann nicht anders.
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #55 - 07/27/05 at 15:26:54
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Oh and you have not to precise which of your rook will be on f8, only the h8 rook can go here Wink


I am sufficiently happy when the move I send is, in fact, the one I intend!
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #54 - 07/27/05 at 14:52:46
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 
  
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