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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #83 - 08/19/05 at 21:33:57
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Sorry, I guess I missed Lev's point.  Still, there is 11...fxg6 which, according to Sawyer, is the better move.


Like I said in my previous post and somes times ago, 10.Nxg6 hxg6 11.Bd3 Qxd4 is an improvement to 10.Bd3 Qxd4 11.Nxg6 because fxg6 is no longer available.

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Here I'm just plodding along, playing simple moves.  I thought you might try 20. Rde1, when I was considering 20...R4d8.


Yeah, 20.Rde1 was a really interesting alternative, but Black can try 20..a4!? 21.Ba2 Nd5!? 22.c3 Rxd2! where the sharp play might favour Black here. If I would have played 19.Ba2 instead of 19.Bb3, after 19..Rxd4 20.Rde1, 20..a4 idea would not have worked here, but I was not sure that the bishop would have been better on a2 or on b3 but globaly I prefered it on b3.

But I am not too unhappy with my last moves because it's not sure that other moves were better for me. I really think that a draw is still possible, because playing for a win here seems practically impossible now. But that doesn't mean that I will play for a draw either, but if I can take it, I will do it Smiley

1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3 Rxd4 20.Bxa5 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #82 - 08/19/05 at 21:27:53
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The reason no one plays 11...fg6 is because the e-pawn is isolated. In the few games I have (without ...Nh5) , White focused on the e-pawn, and got adequate compensation. I have found many improvements over Sawyer's analyses/games -- all without using a computer!!
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #81 - 08/19/05 at 19:54:04
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3 Rxd4 20.Bxa5 Rxd1+

Sorry, I guess I missed Lev's point.  Still, there is 11...fxg6 which, according to Sawyer, is the better move.

Here I'm just plodding along, playing simple moves.  I thought you might try 20. Rde1, when I was considering 20...R4d8.
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #80 - 08/19/05 at 15:16:39
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I agree with you Markovich with your analysis after 10.Bd3 Qxd4 11.Bxg6 but Lev proposed 11.Nxg6 instead. Here Black have the option to play hxg6 or fxg6, and for this reason I prefer to play 10.Nxg6 where only hxg6 is good here, and after 11.Bd3 Qxd4 White have avoided fxg6.

1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3 Rxd4 20.Bxa5
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #79 - 08/19/05 at 14:35:12
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3 Rxd4


  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #78 - 08/19/05 at 14:20:25
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I mentioned earlier that 10 Be3 is too passive. My earlier proposal was to gambit the d4-pawn (...Qxd4) for open lines and an enduring attack. If you re-check the thread, you will see what I sub-variation I spoke of.: 10 Bd3!? Qxd4?! . Yes, it is risky, but then as Steinitz once said, "Chess is not for those of weak spirit!"


Well Lev, perhaps you have forgotten my analysis of 10. Bd3, which I believe I posted in the Schoupal-Bonsai thread.  Let's see if I can recall it.  10. Bd3 Qxd4  11. Bxg6 Qxe4+  12. Be4 Bb4  13. O-O f5  14. Qxh5+ g6  15. Qf3 (15. Qe2 is the same) Bxc3  16. bxc3 (16. Qxc3 Qxc3  17. bxc3 fxe4 is the same) 16...Qxe4  17. Qxe4 fxe4.  Now White can regain his pawns with 18. Rf6 Nd7  19. Rxe6+ Kf7  20. Rxe4, but after 20...Rhe8, the ending is very much in Black's favor, I opine.  Would you care to offer something in contradiction to that?

And by the way, since BDG players like to name lines after people, perhaps they'll call 9...Nh5 the Morss Variation?

  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #77 - 08/18/05 at 22:56:33
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Yes Lev, I know, I had already responded to you last time, and if yourself reread the message where I played 10.Be3, you will see that I wanted to play 10.Nxg6 hxg6 11.Bd3 in a separate game but for somes reasons, Markovich declined the offer.

My own theory after 9..Nh5(!) is growing up now, this game is a good experience to me to compare White chance  between Be3 and my actual analysis on Bd3. And apparently, if you check chesslive database you will notice that the first 14 moves have been played by somes players, like Tim Sawyer himself where he played 15.Rdf1 but lost quite badly. My move 15.Rhf1!? is a novelty that is a little improvement over 15.Rdf1 I think. But there is too little practice to judge clearly 10.Be3, but I agree that this is not active enough and doesn't lead to typical BDG middle game that we research.
But next time I will try 10.Nxg6 and 11.Bd3 for sure!




  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #76 - 08/18/05 at 22:41:26
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I mentioned earlier that 10 Be3 is too passive. My earlier proposal was to gambit the d4-pawn (...Qxd4) for open lines and an enduring attack. If you re-check the thread, you will see what I sub-variation I spoke of.: 10 Bd3!? Qxd4?! . Yes, it is risky, but then as Steinitz once said, "Chess is not for those of weak spirit!"
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #75 - 08/18/05 at 19:29:36
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But I think the BDG is good for a player's chess education up to about the 2000 level.  After that, and assuming they had a good grasp of how to play in open positions, I would sugest they turn their attention to deeper ideas than simply gambit play.


Curiously Iam just doing the contrary. I began "serious chess" at 15 y old with a rating under 1500, reached 2000 ELO when I was 17 years old, with classical openings with Black and White, and now, after a pause of somes years in chess, I discovered the BDG last year where I began to analyse it by curiosity, and now my interest for it is just growing up and my interest in chess too because I have more fun than before. If I see that the BDG give me bad results on tournaments, I will just use it on blitz and CC like I am doing actually.

1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3

18..Nb6 was just the best move. I played Bc4 because it was the only real way to prevent both liberating moves:e5 and/or f5 for a while, but now, Nb6 gain a tempo to switch in another good plan. When I look at the position, Iam practically sure now that my first idea : 10.Nxg6 followed by 11.Bd3 is the type of position that the BDG player research. Even if I manage to draw now(I can't hope for more already because I don't like my position that much here)I think it's the first and the last time I will play 10.Be3 against 9..Nh5 because the position is too closed, and Black have a solid play and a logical plan. But even after 10. Be3 it should be possible to improve the White moves a bit but that's not an easy task. But here I speak about a possible revenge in the future, but actually, I will continue to play my best until the end of the game Wink
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #74 - 08/17/05 at 21:20:53
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6

White's move restricts Black's kingside pawn majority, stopping any immediate ideas of ...f5 or ...e5.  Black continues straightforwardly, maneuvering and looking for simplification.  If Black can win the d-pawn in exchange for the a-pawn, this will offer hope of trading down the rooks.

The main alternative was 18...Kb8, but it is not so obvious that the marginal increment in king security is worth the tempo.   

 


     
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #73 - 08/17/05 at 21:10:27
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Of course I am not Patrik Schoupal, he is surely stronger than me, and I know he would have played the second main line : 8.Bg2 and for this reason, I wanted to defend the other main line 8.Qf3 where I believe White are OK. 9..Nh5 (!) is interesting and critical for the BDG theory, but I imagine that BDG expert : Peter Leisebein have already his own theory against 9..Nh5

More practice is needed to know which of 10.Nxg6 hxg6 11.Be3 (transposing on our game after 11..Nd7) and 10.Nxg6 hxg6 11.Bd3!?(my preparation if 11.Be3 is not good enough)give the better chance to White.

I am still a new player in the "BDG world" with about 1 year of practice and studying now, and played my first CC games this year too. With my age, I think I could be Markovich's studend, and I know he have a good experience in CC game. But I really want to be the "future" of this gambit, the next generation of BDG expert after Leisebein in somes years, to continue his great work. Just let's hope that the BDG will resist in the future or I will have to switch on 1.e4 again Smiley





I suspect you are too strong a player to be my student.  But I think the BDG is good for a player's chess education up to about the 2000 level.  After that, and assuming they had a good grasp of how to play in open positions, I would sugest they turn their attention to deeper ideas than simply gambit play.  Truly, don't waste you chess life on this gambit, or on gambit addiction in general.
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #72 - 08/17/05 at 19:14:40
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Of course I am not Patrik Schoupal, he is surely stronger than me, and I know he would have played the second main line : 8.Bg2 and for this reason, I wanted to defend the other main line 8.Qf3 where I believe White are OK. 9..Nh5 (!) is interesting and critical for the BDG theory, but I imagine that BDG expert : Peter Leisebein have already his own theory against 9..Nh5

More practice is needed to know which of 10.Nxg6 hxg6 11.Be3 (transposing on our game after 11..Nd7) and 10.Nxg6 hxg6 11.Bd3!?(my preparation if 11.Be3 is not good enough)give the better chance to White.

I am still a new player in the "BDG world" with about 1 year of practice and studying now, and played my first CC games this year too. With my age, I think I could be Markovich's studend, and I know he have a good experience in CC game. But I really want to be the "future" of this gambit, the next generation of BDG expert after Leisebein in somes years, to continue his great work. Just let's hope that the BDG will resist in the future or I will have to switch on 1.e4 again Smiley


  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #71 - 08/17/05 at 18:48:19
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Will Markovich succeed where MNb failed miserably.

Or will it be 2-0

Toppy Grin

Postscript: Maybe its time to take a poll.
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #70 - 08/11/05 at 22:59:31
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #69 - 08/08/05 at 07:55:40
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To Markovich : Iam ok to abort the game as advantagous for you if Iam going to be bad. But actually there is no reason to me to admit that Black have an advantage for the moment. Chess is first a fighting game, so, whatever is the result, I will not stop the fight until there is a real advantage. 



Chess is indeed a fighting game, so let's play on!
  

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