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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #98 - 08/25/05 at 10:55:34
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3 Rxd4 20.Bxa5 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Nd5 22.Bxc7 Qxc7 23.Kb1 Qf4 24.Bxd5 exd5 25.Qh3+ Kc7

24...cxd5  25. Qc3+ Qc7  26. Qb4 followed by Rd3 did not look very promising for Black.  Here I like Black, but it may not be easy to win.
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #97 - 08/24/05 at 13:51:10
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3 Rxd4 20.Bxa5 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Nd5 22.Bxc7 Qxc7 23.Kb1 Qf4 24.Bxd5 exd5 25.Qh3+
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #96 - 08/23/05 at 21:35:45
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3 Rxd4 20.Bxa5 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Nd5 22.Bxc7 Qxc7 23.Kb1 Qf4 24.Bxd5 exd5
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #95 - 08/23/05 at 17:28:45
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I'm not sure how to answer this, since I don't play 5...Bg4, but rather 5...Bf5.  And if 6. Ne5 then 6...e6.


But it has not independent signifiance after 1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Bg2 c6 9.h4 (transposition)

Edit: I have said the same thing than Patrik but I have posted it just 1 min later.
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #94 - 08/23/05 at 17:27:24
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Well, I thought my point is clear as a crystal. 5.Nxf3 Bf5 6.Ne5  e6 7.g4 Bg6 this is the line you have wanted to play in our match, isn´t it? Now, after 8.Bg2 c6 9.h4 we are in the line above in my post. 

And what do you think about it, Pablo?
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #93 - 08/23/05 at 15:03:45
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Hello. Right now I have been playing a correspondence game in this line at www.sachy.sk:
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. e4 dxe4 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 Bg4 6. h3 Bh5 7. g4 Bg6 8. Ne5 c6 (8..Nbd7 9.Qe2!) 9. Bg2 e6 10. h4 Bb4 11. Bg5 Qa5 12. Bd2*

I think, it can put some light on the whole line. 12.0-0 was an alternative, after 12...Bxc3?! white is able to prove +/-, but better is 12..Nbd7! and black is better. 12.Bd2!? is an interesting alternative and I hope, white is better here. 
Also 10.0-0!? is an interesting alternative played by Jorge Quinnones vs Battalla 10..Bxc2 11.Qd2 with good attack.

I´m very interested in Markovich comments whether he would play something like this above or whether he has some improvement prepared... ?


I'm not sure how to answer this, since I don't play 5...Bg4, but rather 5...Bf5.  And if 6. Ne5 then 6...e6.
  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #92 - 08/23/05 at 12:48:16
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Hello. Right now I have been playing a correspondence game in this line at www.sachy.sk:
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. e4 dxe4 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 Bg4 6. h3 Bh5 7. g4 Bg6 8. Ne5 c6 (8..Nbd7 9.Qe2!) 9. Bg2 e6 10. h4 Bb4 11. Bg5 Qa5 12. Bd2*

I think, it can put some light on the whole line. 12.0-0 was an alternative, after 12...Bxc3?! white is able to prove +/-, but better is 12..Nbd7! and black is better. 12.Bd2!? is an interesting alternative and I hope, white is better here. 
Also 10.0-0!? is an interesting alternative played by Jorge Quinnones vs Battalla 10..Bxc2 11.Qd2 with good attack.

I´m very interested in Markovich comments whether he would play something like this above or whether he has some improvement prepared... ?
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #91 - 08/23/05 at 07:50:02
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3 Rxd4 20.Bxa5 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Nd5 22.Bxc7 Qxc7 23.Kb1 Qf4 24.Bxd5
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #90 - 08/21/05 at 20:33:28
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3 Rxd4 20.Bxa5 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Nd5 22.Bxc7 Qxc7 23.Kb1 Qf4


  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #89 - 08/21/05 at 15:55:27
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Patrik : I did not understand very good why you say "9.Nh5 sucks" but about my drawing chance, I agree that when you play a gambit, it's not to fight for a draw. But the variation with Nh5 need more practice to see which move offer White the type of game they want. And now Iam practically convinced that 10.Nxg6 followed by 11.Bd3 could be the main move in the future. Not that 10.Be3 is bad, but it's harder to play for White than Black here. I have not made any real error, but surely somes microscopics errors and now it's hard to assess if my compensation is sufficient, and I don't like my position that much now(I never liked the too closed position reached somes moves ago), and it's because I am objective that I say that I am playing for a draw now. And for a supposed unsound or even a refuted gambit, with not the best moves played, a draw is not a so bad result Wink

And when you say that 8.Qf3 is refuted just because 10..Nh5 seems good is exagerated. Even if my move 10.Be3 is not very promising against Markovich's defense, it might be playable with somes improvements. 10.Nxg6 and 11.Bd3 is definitively the best move in the BDG spirit, that I will use for sure when I will face 10..Nh5 again. If 10.Be3 and 10.Nxg6/11.Bd3 is losing, then you can say that 8.Qf3 is refuted due to 10..Nh5! but the future with more practice will tell us what is the truth. If your "ED theory" is true (Personnaly, I don't really believe that White should always have +/-  even if Black play the best moves) and if the BDG=ED theory (why should it be better than another normal opening?), then, a draw is a bad result for White in the BDG. But let's come in the reality, things are not that easy. With the best defense, Black have equality in every major defense against the BDG, and most of players believe that BDG is bad, so, I won't feel sad with a 1/2 result with a pawn down, but I agree that in this game I never reached the type of position that the BDG player wanted for, but I wasn't playing for a draw either. Wathewer will be the result, I still think that 10.Be3 is playable, but no more. Let's look at 10.Nxg6/11.Bd3 in the future.

PS: sorry if my English is a little weird to read, but can't explain my ideas as good as in French because I am still learning that language at school.
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #88 - 08/21/05 at 14:55:38
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Well, actually, a statement like "I believe in drawing chances" is not a kind of statement BDG-eers should tell his opponent. Better "I´ll crush you" and staff like that. This Nh5! variation sucks, whatever gambit or not gambit-like move white is going to play. Draw, no more. Statements like Nh5 =/+ sucks (actually I like term "it sucks", it is very often used in my favourite cartoon Beavis and Butthead, psychotic comedy, but I like pronunciation). This Qf3 is refuted. Morss Variation, Knight´s Quest to Glory (KQG). gg.
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #87 - 08/21/05 at 13:45:11
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3 Rxd4 20.Bxa5 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Nd5 22.Bxc7 Qxc7 23.Kb1

I had to avoid the queen exchange. Enough play for the pawn or not, I believe the game will still be interesting. I believe in my drawing chances.
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #86 - 08/21/05 at 13:01:18
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3 Rxd4 20.Bxa5 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Nd5 22.Bxc7 Qxc7 

I expected 22. Bd2, avoiding further simplification.  Even now, White still has a little play left; we'll see if it's enough for him to draw.

  

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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #85 - 08/20/05 at 21:59:46
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3 Rxd4 20.Bxa5 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Nd5 22.Bxc7

I am quite happy to exchange this very important bishop, but 22.Bd2 was equally playable, with the major idea to play c4/Bb4 but Black are not without counterplay to stay better.
  
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Re: ArKheiN - Markovich, 2005, BDG Challenge Match
Reply #84 - 08/20/05 at 16:22:01
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1.d4 d5  2. e4 dxe4  3. Nc3 Nf6  4. f3 exf3  5. Nxf3 Bf5  6. Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Qf3 c6  9. g5 Nh5 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Nxg6 hxg6 12.Bd3 Bd6 13.Ne4 Bc7  14. O-O-O Qe7 15.Rhf1 Rf8 16.Bd2 0-0-0 17.a3 a5 18.Bc4 Nb6 19.Bb3 Rxd4 20.Bxa5 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Nd5

White still has some compensation for his pawn, just not a full pawn's worth, I opine.
  

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