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Re: Hodgson Attack
Reply #19 - 03/17/06 at 15:25:59
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In my opinion 1. d4 Ktf6 ; 2. Bg5/ 1. ...d5 ; 2. Bg5/ 1. ...f5 ; 2. Bg5/ 1. ...d6 ; 2. Bg5 are all Trompovsky. This is a fully-fledged opening in its right, just as 1. e4/
1. d4 ; 2. c4/ 1. c4 etc...
Having said that, 1. ...d5 ; 2. Bg5 is perhaps of least independant significance, as White's best reply to sensible Black play is always to transpose to lines of the Queen's Gambit. As witness Adams' adoption of 1. d4 Ktf6 ; 2. Bg5 d5 ; 3. e3 followed by c4 as opposed to the unconvincing 3.Bxf6.

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Re: Hodgson Attack
Reply #18 - 03/13/06 at 13:29:21
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(No has nothing to do with slowakian expression I don't know, but with low mute profile now I haven't paid the fee.)
  
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Re: Hodgson Attack
Reply #17 - 03/13/06 at 12:55:25
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2...Qd6 has always seemed a logical response to this in my eyes.  The pin is instantly broken on the e-pawn and the queen supports the ...e5 advance, which should be organised before white can get the bishop to f4/g3 to harrass the queen. There's also the small issue of 3...Qb4+ picking up a pawn - I would be surprised if white could drum enough compensation up for this.

I see no way for white to prove a real advantage after 2...Qd6.
  

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Re: Hodgson Attack
Reply #16 - 03/11/06 at 22:59:40
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If you subscribe to the ChessPublishing d-Pawn Specials section, you have access to a number of Super Stonewall games, annotated by GM Prie, most of them with himself playing white. 

See also the May 2005 update of that section for more on the Super Stonewall and on ideas 1. d4 d5. 2. c3!? followed by Bg5 or Bf4.
  
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Re: Hodgson Attack
Reply #15 - 03/11/06 at 02:54:30
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Paul123 wrote on 03/09/06 at 21:21:37:
lol


Ok gives me some lines........

I stoped falling for stonewalls when I was 14.  

let's see this SUPERstonewall


make me a believer..... Grin



Yes l admit that quote was cocky and filled with brash bravado!

Some of my analysis might be wrong for I am not that strong of a player.

I got looking at my database and found White blasting Black back into the stone age with the Stonewall (Bg5 outside of the pawn chain.  )

However, unless my analysis is way off, after 1d4 d5  2. Bg5,  I believe Black doesn’t have a whole lot to fear and can play with confidence against this line )   

I look at the Stonewall set up  like a Jujitsu chokehold. Once set, defeat is almost inevitable.   GMs’ Yusupov or Kovacevic have a few great games playing in Stonewall type fashion and proving just how nasty it is   (against GM’s no less…) 

The few games I looked over  I thought a lot of guys  didn't understand the real danger they were in untill it was too late.   Or  they underestemated the stonewall set up,  thinking they could play out of it...I didn't see that happen against somebody with serious technique using it.   

Deny the Stonewall by contesting e5  
 

 
A)
1.d4 .d5 
2.Bg5 Nd7?!   

After looking at a few games by white I do believe this is the hard way of dealing with the "Stonewall Bg5" and not the correct way....  

 


A) 
Ok,  if I give white what he/she wants... Stonewall.....with the Bishop at g5...what happens if I follow a Colle main line idea?


I think I get

1.d4 .d5 
2. Bg5 Nf6
3.e3 e6 
4.Bd3 c5
5.f4 Bd6 
6.Nf3 Nc6= this is standard main line Colle old fashion D pawn stuff defense ....I know its not hypermodern but none the less I think it gets the job done ... 

what is next?   7.Nc3!? (7.Nbd2!? Qb6!; 7.c3; 7.Bxf6 gxf6 8.c3 Qb6 9.Qc1 e5!   white has lost the initiative!) 7...c4!?= 8.Be2  looks like its very hard for white to make any headway in this line.] 

(Bxf6 removes e5 from white's control  so no stonewall...white has got play but no stonewall attack.)

At any time white can play Bxf6, which is why I think it is done in the 1 d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Bxf6 main lines, instead of aiming at some Super Stonewall.  Best I think after taking the knight   is c4,  g3 and Bg3  lines…but that is my opinion.  

 

However……………………. the best line   
B) 
1.d4 .d5  
2.  Bg5 Bf5  (this is my own analysis and after looking at the lines given by John Cox in “Dealing with d4 Deviations”  I see that I’m not that far off)  
3.e3 c6 
4.Nf3 Qb6 
5.Qc1 
(5.b3 Qa5+ 6.Nbd2 Qc3  Can't have a  stonewall if the bishop can't reach d3/ let alone blacks put serious pressure on c2)
5...e6 

6.Be2 Nd7= kaspirateur this is standard Slav stuff.....( I.e. the old and boring QGD orthodox stuff) ............... )
7.0–0 Be7 
8.Bxe7 Nxe7 
9.c4 0–0 =   

Am I denouncing the Hodgson attack? No ….. I think its viable/legit against 1..Nf6, 1..g6.  But everything has a weakness… 


1...d5 with ideas like example B) are the Hodgson's  (IMO)


  
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Re: Hodgson Attack
Reply #14 - 03/09/06 at 21:21:37
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lol


Ok gives me some lines........

I stoped falling for stonewalls when I was 14.  

let's see this SUPERstonewall


make me a believer..... Grin
  
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Reply #13 - 03/09/06 at 15:59:11
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Hi Strptzr (is there a connexion with the famus slowakian sentence containing no vowel ?.....)

In many lines, especially when black plays d5 at some point; the super-stonewall is a very dangerous weapon.

Indeed, it contains a lot of venom and it is super solid at the same time!!!!
  
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Re: Hodgson Attack
Reply #12 - 03/09/06 at 15:48:02
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This 'superstonewall'-idea pops up everywhere in these lines (also in Davies book on the related Veresov)
  
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Reply #11 - 03/09/06 at 15:44:35
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Hi !

Against this line there is a very interesting line quoted by Gary Lane on his video about this opening, namely to play a stonewall formation with the bishop outside the pawn chain.

very interesting indeed!!!I win game after game with it and it prevents us to play the boring lines you mentioned !!!

So, take a look at this  Wink

Bye

KASPI
  
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Re: Hodgson Attack
Reply #10 - 03/09/06 at 14:15:18
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Am I missing something? Huh

Is there a line I don't know about?

I don’t see much danger in the opening if one develops in a classical fashion with 1…d5  


By danger I mean, “getting pulled out of a familiar positions and getting whacked by a tactic”.  

The Hodgson/Tromp is famous for this!


1.d4 d5 2.Bg5 with 2…Nd7 then develop with moves like Ngf6, e6, Be7 either c6 or c5 depending on where whites c pawn goes 

If white tries to force the issue I think the worse that happens is a mild version of a Slav exchange or a Tartakower D03.  Or he/she as white could transpose back into a form of  QGD  QGD Exchange or a QGA…but there went the Hodgson attack right out the window.  
I think the danger arises  for black if he/she attacks the bishop at g5 thinking its placement is premature or unsound.  If one starts punching knights up to e4 or pushing f6  (maybe both) then that plays right into that style and opening schemes. 

        
  
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Re: Hodgson Attack
Reply #9 - 03/05/06 at 12:42:45
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I agree - Hodgson has done more than anyone to popularise this opening. I'm sure he could have it named after him if he wished. Similar to the "Greco Countergambit" now being accepted as the Latvian due to the Riga masters who honed it into a weapon and popularised it.
  

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Re: Hodgson Attack
Reply #8 - 03/02/06 at 08:06:35
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The names of chess openings are quite odd little creatures.
I don't know why some names stick and others don't.
I remember reading that the French used to be called the "King's Pawn Sneak" or something to that effect.
Anyway, names do change over time and for good reason.

I was just hoping to convince some people that since 1.d4 d5 2.Bg5 really doesn't have any fixed name as yet (3 names have been mentioned in this thread) and while I agree that Pseudo-Trompowsky is perfectly fine as a name (since it is descriptive), I think it would be even better named as 'Hodgson Attack' for the reasons stated above. 
But as I said perhaps the name Levitsky is more establised than I know...

However, it seems pretty clear that Levitsky is not TOO well establised on either side of the Atlantic since Plaskett's recent book didn't use that name nor does the most recent verison of the (American) opening guide MCO. 
Since it is only the chess community (i.e people like us) who establishes names and not some International Federation (*cough cough*) I thought I'd throw Hodgson's name into the mix before anything else becomes as eternally linked to this opening as Evan's Gambit is or the famous duo Caro-Kan.
Besides... no one really benefits from using the Pseudo-Tromp nomenclature.  At least good ol' Julian can get a little bit of love if we go the other way.  And isn't a little bit of love worth more than none at all?

Cheers.

ps - I doubt there will be a lot of confusion as to which opening is the Hodgson Attack.  Once people hear it, they can easily imagine the d4/Bg5 setup, don't you think? And I don't think there will be a whole lot of new names popping up or fighting for top staus either.  I that once Hodgson is clearly established it will stay that way.
  Just as no one wants to rename the Najdorf (no matter how many times Fischer or Kasparov played it).
So, the Colle is the Colle forever and the Marshall will stay with Marshall...but Levitsky??   I say we try it before it's too late.
  

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Re: Hodgson Attack
Reply #7 - 03/01/06 at 15:14:49
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Not sure which is the "wrong" side of the Atlantic, but actually I am happy to go using what I have long used: Pseudo Trompowsky
  
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Re: Hodgson Attack
Reply #6 - 03/01/06 at 15:01:31
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'Common' very much depends on location. I would not be surprised that at the wrong  Wink side of the Atlantic the proposed name does not catch on.  1. Nc3 over there is and remains a Dunst, no matter who popularised (?) the opening...
  
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Re: Hodgson Attack
Reply #5 - 03/01/06 at 13:03:33
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Fair enough but as Nietzsche points out, Levitsky Attack is not common usage
  
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