Paul123 wrote on 03/09/06 at 21:21:37:
lol
Ok gives me some lines........
I stoped falling for stonewalls when I was 14.
let's see this SUPERstonewall
make me a believer.....
Yes l admit that quote was cocky and filled with brash bravado!
Some of my analysis might be wrong for I am not that strong of a player.
I got looking at my database and found White blasting Black back into the stone age with the Stonewall (Bg5 outside of the pawn chain. )
However, unless my analysis is way off, after 1d4 d5 2. Bg5, I believe Black doesn’t have a whole lot to fear and can play with confidence against this line )
I look at the Stonewall set up like a Jujitsu chokehold. Once set, defeat is almost inevitable. GMs’ Yusupov or Kovacevic have a few great games playing in Stonewall type fashion and proving just how nasty it is (against GM’s no less…)
The few games I looked over I thought a lot of guys didn't understand the real danger they were in untill it was too late. Or they underestemated the stonewall set up, thinking they could play out of it...I didn't see that happen against somebody with serious technique using it.
Deny the Stonewall by contesting e5
A)
1.d4 .d5
2.Bg5 Nd7?!
After looking at a few games by white I do believe this is the hard way of dealing with the "Stonewall Bg5" and not the correct way....
A)
Ok, if I give white what he/she wants... Stonewall.....with the Bishop at g5...what happens if I follow a Colle main line idea?
I think I get
1.d4 .d5
2. Bg5 Nf6
3.e3 e6
4.Bd3 c5
5.f4 Bd6
6.Nf3 Nc6= this is standard main line Colle old fashion D pawn stuff defense ....I know its not hypermodern but none the less I think it gets the job done ...
what is next? 7.Nc3!? (7.Nbd2!? Qb6!; 7.c3; 7.Bxf6 gxf6 8.c3 Qb6 9.Qc1 e5! white has lost the initiative!) 7...c4!?= 8.Be2 looks like its very hard for white to make any headway in this line.]
(Bxf6 removes e5 from white's control so no stonewall...white has got play but no stonewall attack.)
At any time white can play Bxf6, which is why I think it is done in the 1 d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Bxf6 main lines, instead of aiming at some Super Stonewall. Best I think after taking the knight is c4, g3 and Bg3 lines…but that is my opinion.
However……………………. the best line
B)
1.d4 .d5
2. Bg5 Bf5 (this is my own analysis and after looking at the lines given by John Cox in “Dealing with d4 Deviations” I see that I’m not that far off)
3.e3 c6
4.Nf3 Qb6
5.Qc1
(
5.b3 Qa5+ 6.Nbd2 Qc3 Can't have a stonewall if the bishop can't reach d3/ let alone blacks put serious pressure on c2) 5...e6
6.Be2 Nd7=
kaspirateur this is standard Slav stuff.....( I.e. the old and boring QGD orthodox stuff) ............... ) 7.0–0 Be7
8.Bxe7 Nxe7
9.c4 0–0 =
Am I denouncing the Hodgson attack? No ….. I think its viable/legit against 1..Nf6, 1..g6. But everything has a weakness…
1...d5 with ideas like example B) are the Hodgson's (IMO)