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Re: Starting Out:  Scheveningen
Reply #7 - 10/04/06 at 02:27:13
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I was also disappointed the book does not cover so-called classical lines. Hopefully a Starting Out Classical Scheveningen could remedy that?

That being said there are plenty of options for black in the so-called modern lines and the author deserves credit for his lucid explanation of these. In this regard I think the way the first few chapters of the book are laid out is excellent because it allows one to see at a glance various move order nuances. The book is superior in this regard to the author's 1970's work (which was and still is a good book). A number of the games are not that recent reflecting perhaps that theory has not developed in these lines with the same speed as other lines. If these lines become more popular it will be interesting to see if they hold up to intensive scrutiny.
  
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Re: Starting Out:  Scheveningen
Reply #6 - 09/23/06 at 17:05:38
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LeeRoth wrote on 09/23/06 at 16:30:25:
@basqueknight

Definitely get the book.  Working through it is improving my understanding of the Scheveningen.  YMMV, but  that's about the best I can ask for from a chess book.

@kylemeister

Pritchett does indeed mention Kaufman-Kachieshvilli, Connecticut 2002, but it is not his main recommendation, just a suggestion for a way in which Black can play more ambitiously.

I usually meet 6.f4 with 6..a6, preserving my ability to play Nbd7.  These lines can get very sharp, but Black seems OK.  The main line runs 7.Qf3 Qb6  8.Nb3 (8.a3 is also possible) Qc7  9.g4 b5  10.g5 Nd7  11. Bd3 when Black untangles with ...Bb7, ..Nc5, ...Nbd7, ...Be7, ..0-0.  If White castles kingside, I find that play can then resemble some of the 6.Be2 lines where White tries to double on the h-file and Black defends by ..g6, ...Bg7 and..Nf8.    

Pritchett prefers 6..Nc6 7.Be3 Be7 8. Qf3 e5.  I'm not as familiar with this line.  Critical seems to be 9.Nxc6 bxc6 10.f5 Rb8, when things are far from drab.  

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Far from drab indeed, and it used to be perhaps the main line, but I had the impression that it is doubtful for Black now (for instance Small ECO thinks it's clearly better for White).  It's the line I would probably most "want" to play, though.  Interesting. 

(editing)  Faulty memory; Small ECO actually considers that line slightly better for White with best play.  That was also the view of "Nunn's Chess Openings," by the way.

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Re: Starting Out:  Scheveningen
Reply #5 - 09/23/06 at 16:30:25
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@basqueknight

Definitely get the book.  Working through it is improving my understanding of the Scheveningen.  YMMV, but  that's about the best I can ask for from a chess book.

@kylemeister

Pritchett does indeed mention Kaufman-Kachieshvilli, Connecticut 2002, but it is not his main recommendation, just a suggestion for a way in which Black can play more ambitiously.

I usually meet 6.f4 with 6..a6, preserving my ability to play Nbd7.  These lines can get very sharp, but Black seems OK.  The main line runs 7.Qf3 Qb6  8.Nb3 (8.a3 is also possible) Qc7  9.g4 b5  10.g5 Nd7  11. Bd3 when Black untangles with ...Bb7, ..Nc5, ...Nbd7, ...Be7, ..0-0.  If White castles kingside, I find that play can then resemble some of the 6.Be2 lines where White tries to double on the h-file and Black defends by ..g6, ...Bg7 and..Nf8.    

Pritchett prefers 6..Nc6 7.Be3 Be7 8. Qf3 e5.  I'm not as familiar with this line.  Critical seems to be 9.Nxc6 bxc6 10.f5 Rb8, when things are far from drab.  

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Re: Starting Out:  Scheveningen
Reply #4 - 09/23/06 at 02:48:58
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Sounds interesting; I may have to take a look at the book.
I have a soft spot for the Scheveningen due to its solidly unbalancing nature, if you will (I think Nunn's Chess Openings calls it "the classic Sicilian").

I'm not surprised that Pritchett advocates ...d5 against the English attack; that seems to be the simplest, as well as an attempt to make use of the Scheveningen move order (as in, early ...a6 doesn't seem to go with ...d5).  I'll take a wild guess that he mentions the game Kaufman-Kacheishvili from a few years ago, in which Black won in about 20 moves.  Ideally I would have liked to see the line involving ...Nxd4 followed by...b5 (as in Emms' book) offered as an alternative (I tend to like that better than the ...Nbd7 stuff).

If I were going to play the Scheveningen right now, I would probably be more concerned about the 6. f4 line than anything else.  Drazen Marovic, who has a couple of books containing stuff on the Scheveningen, seems to favour 6...Nc6 7. Be3 e5 (maybe the safest), but I have the impression that it may tend to land Black in a rather drab, slightly worse position.  I'd like to see something sharper work for Black; for instance he could offer to follow the famous Tal-Larsen game (which apparently should have been fine for Black), but I suppose that 10. Rg1 (after 6...Nc6 7. Be3 Be7 8. Qf3 0-0 9. 0-0-0 Qc7) may be quite dangerous ...    

  
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Re: Starting Out:  Scheveningen
Reply #3 - 09/22/06 at 15:27:58
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I have not seen the book yet but i will certainly pick it up as I play a Najdorf/Schevenigen.

I would not venture e6 before a6 because of the Keres but if black is feeling like he is up to the challange go for it. 

I would also look up the great book: Play the Najdorf Scheveningen style. Its a little out of date but I mean if you look at the topalov counter attack lines in this part of the forum some play you should be ok.

Starting out the Najdorf is also very good but coverage on my favorite line was rather weak...Im a polugaevsky fan...not a lot of love for it any more...but ill keep supporting it...

I wish you luck with the book if you ever decide to pick it up though. The Schevy has given me very good results and im a U1500 player USCF
  
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Re: Starting Out:  Scheveningen
Reply #2 - 09/21/06 at 01:06:35
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I have the book.  Pritchett offers a repertoire focused on the Modern Scheveningen.  

The first chapter covers 1.e4 c5  2.Nf3 e6  3.d4 cxd4  4.Nxd4 Nf6  5.Nc3 d6  6.Be2 Be7  7.0-0 0-0  8.Be3 Nc6  9.f4 Bd7.  He doesn't cover the Classical move order, although some of the lines later transpose.  

The second chapter surveys Black's ninth move alternatives:  9..a6, 9..Qc7, 9..e5, 9..Nxd4 and lines where Black delays castling.

Against the English, 6.Be3 Be7  7.f3 0-0  8.Qd2 Nc6  and after either 9.g4 or 9.0-0-0, Pritchett recommends 9..d5

Against the Keres, 6.g4 h6 7.h4, his principal recommendation is 7..Be7 8.Rg1 d5, although he also offers analysis of 7..Nc6 8.Rg1 h5.

I'm still working my way through the book.  I usually play the Classical Scheveningen, so I was initially disappointed that Pritchett decided to focus on the Modern move order, but he makes a convincing case for the ..Bd7 lines and they fit the Starting Out concept well.  There is a lot of good analysis and explanation for this type of book.

Hope this helps.
Lee Roth


   
  
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Re: Starting Out:  Scheveningen
Reply #1 - 09/18/06 at 01:56:48
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Glanced at it in the bookstore so this is going from memory.
h6 against Keres. Bd7, Nxd4, Bc6 idea against the classical and I think English as well.
  
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Starting Out:  Scheveningen
09/16/06 at 21:15:20
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I wonder if anyone would like to offer an opinion on this book, which recently became available.  As I mentioned a while back, the author (Scottish IM Craig Pritchett) wrote a well-received comprehensive-type Batsford book on the Schevy back in the '70s.  I'd be curious as to what Pritchett covers/recommends against the following systems; perhaps someone could give a brief indication of this?   

Keres attack
English attack 
f4 with the idea Be3, Qf3 and 0-0-0
Classical
  
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