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Re: Nimzowitsch-Sicilian
Reply #11 - 11/19/06 at 10:52:27
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[quote author=Uberdeker link=1163505855/0#6 date=1163677140] I’d like to mention that in my opinion, there was no need to move this thread half-way across the forum. It was originally posted in the right spot. The Nimzo variation definitely arises from "1. e4 ..." and is neither an "Open" nor an "Anti-Sicilian". [/quote]

As far as this site is concerned it is an Anti-Sicilian! :)
On ChessPublishing [i]1. e4 ...[/i] covers the Caro, Modern/Pirc, Alekhine's and Scandinavian. [i]Open Sicilians[/i] covers all 1 e4 c5 lines where White follows with a quick d4, Black captures by ...cxd4, and then White plays Nxd4. I suppose Nimzovich's line is more like an 'Anti-Open Sicilian', but as we don't have a section for that ...!
  
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Re: Nimtzovich-Sicilian
Reply #10 - 11/17/06 at 11:54:33
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OK, Keano b5-b4 might be risky. Looking for close alternatives of the early a6&b5 move order I found that according to Fritz 8 openings book there is a rare move 6...g6 after cd4 and Bb7.
1.e4 c5
2.Nc3 a6
3.Nf3 b5
4.d4 cd4
5.N:d4 Bb7
6.Bd3 g6!?
But the number of games played is shown "0". I wonder is this line so bad that to be out of play. And is this question for the experienced Dragon players at the Open Sicilians forum.
  
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Re: Nimtzovich-Sicilian
Reply #9 - 11/17/06 at 11:33:27
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Player 2006 - firstly your Engish is fine dont worry, personally I couldnt care less how you spell that fellow Nimzowitch or whatever. Now this move-order you give is a strange one, but obviously needs considering.

First of all I would say to you not to forget that after 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 a6 you must also consider other White moves for your intended repertoire (3.g3,3.Nge2,3.f4)

Next, I am a little suspicious about the line you give, for instance:

1. e4 c5
2. Nc3 a6
3.Nf3 b5
4.d4 b4
5.Na4 cd4

Now - 6.Qxd4!? looks interesting intending 6...Nc6 7.Qb6 - the main point is that you are underdeveloped but more importantly your queenside pawns are also very weak in that coming endgame.

Something to chew over  Wink
  
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Re: Nimtzovich-Sicilian
Reply #8 - 11/16/06 at 12:49:45
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1)Excuse me for not spelling correctly the name of Nimzowitsch. In my language this is a very weird spelling. I know my English is not irreproachable.

2)Regarding the topic, I'm a bit more optimistic about the variation, having read the article of IM A. Martin.

3)Uberdeker, what do you think of the line you mentioned:
1. e4 c5
2. Nc3 a6
3.Nf3 b5
4.d4 b4
5.Na4 cd4
It looks playable though it's rare. I found only the game Ivanovic-Andersson,1982.

  
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Re: Nimtzovich-Sicilian
Reply #7 - 11/16/06 at 12:40:45
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Hmmm.... 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6!? - I hadnt thought of that!

after 4.e5 Nd5 its the crazy line which I kind of mistrust for Black - in the other move order 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.Nc3 Nxc3!? is an under-rated move.

Nevertheless, provided you are happy with this and 4.d4 d5 is playable, which I know nothing of, then it looks like you are correct - another way to avoid the open Sicilian.
  
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Re: Nimzowitsch-Sicilian
Reply #6 - 11/16/06 at 11:39:00
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The « Dresden Blockade » variation (1. e4 c5 ; 2. Ktf3 Ktc6 ; 3. Ktc3 e5) was favoured by Nimzo himself who described it as a « bold and courageous decision», but it’s not a very realistic winning attempt and with the move-order 2. Ktc3 Ktc6 White also has the option of 3. Ktge2 when 3. …e5 is even less enticing. So if Black absolutely doesn’t want an Open Sicilian (even when he has avoided the most critical lines), in answer to 2. Ktc3 he should consider 2. …e6 ; 3. Ktf3 ( 3. g3 Ktc6 or 3. …d5 / 3. Ktge2 a6 ; 4. d4 b5!? or 3. ...d5) 3. …Ktf6 which leads to Murey’s 1. e4 c5 ; 2. Ktf3 Ktf6 ; 3. Ktc3 e6 ; 4. d4 (4. e5 Ktd5 transposes to the line 3. e5 Ktd5 ; 4. Ktc3 e6 which tends to be preferred to 4. …Ktxc3 in any case) 4. …d5!? I started a thread on this move a while ago, but it didn't attract much interest.

I’d like to mention that in my opinion, there was no need to move this thread half-way across the forum. It was originally posted in the right spot. The Nimzo variation definitely arises from "1. e4 ..." and is neither an "Open" nor an "Anti-Sicilian".

Also, it's bad enough that Nimzowitsch's contributions to the development of chess theory are regularly denigrated here. Maybe we could manage to spell his name correctly from time to time ? ...
  
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Re: Nimtzovich-Sicilian
Reply #5 - 11/16/06 at 08:53:43
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IMJohnCox wrote on 11/14/06 at 15:25:11:
You could twin it with 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 Nf3 e5, I suppose.


Agreed John, that would be the only practical way to avoid an open Sicilian at all costs. That anti-Sveshnikov system has become very popular now for White, so some serious work is required there. I think it is a question of taste also - somehow I just personally wouldnt fancy playing that position for Black, although it seems to be holding up OK theoretically. Anyone know if there is a thread on that system already somewhere?


  
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Re: Nimtzovich-Sicilian
Reply #4 - 11/14/06 at 15:29:14
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IMJohnCox wrote on 11/14/06 at 15:25:11:
You could twin it with 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 Nf3 e5, I suppose.

Maybe a good idea to put it in the antis then. Unfortunately my moderator powers are limited to the 1e4 forum Grin
  

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Re: Nimtzovich-Sicilian
Reply #3 - 11/14/06 at 15:25:11
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You could twin it with 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 Nf3 e5, I suppose.
  
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Re: Nimtzovich-Sicilian
Reply #2 - 11/14/06 at 15:10:47
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I moved this to the open sicilian forum. Maybe Tony could say whether it belongs here or in the anti-sic forum.
  

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Re: Nimtzovich-Sicilian
Reply #1 - 11/14/06 at 14:51:22
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It is playable and maybe under-rated, of-course it is only good as a side-line because you need to have a main-line Sicilian against the 2.Nc3 move-order
  
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Nimtzovich-Sicilian
11/14/06 at 12:04:15
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1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Kf6 is Nimtzovich Variation in Sicilian Defence. I put this topic here, because it has more in common with Alekhine Defence than with Open Sicilian. This variation is seemingly out of favor and is rarely played in serious games. When I looked through the main theory I got the impression that in some lines black obtains playable positions. I suppose you'll say that the variation is very dubious. I'd like to know whether there are adherents to this system among you and if so what's your opinion about this system.
  
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