The policy regarding other player's work is to give the line and then cite their name at the end.

blueguitar322 wrote on 06/06/07 at 13:02:48:


In Fritz9 you can simply choose 'save game as' (under File) and choose .pgn in the dropdown box. The downside is that you'll probably have to put the material in manually, move for move. Though it's possible to copy text notation and paste, but if there are mistakes then the result can be quite strange... 

Yes, if you had moderator status you wouldn't have to do anything else, just keep an eye on the new KG thread. You could also make it 'sticky' so it stays at the top.
One thing, though, please put it all in PGN form which will make it easier for everyone to update without making mistakes (like 7 Nf4 which should be 7 Nh4 I suppose?), and you can then copy and paste it into a thread at any time.

Hmmm...see below for an example of what I'm trying to do. And right now, it's all very low-tech - Word, Excel, and forum-specific pseudo-html! It's not really anything fancy, just a "one-stop shop" for guys like me who want the latest tries but without all the antagonism and banter.

While I would love the power of being a moderator ("Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely") I don't think I'd be cut out to do it in the long run. Chess is very much a hobby for me (though a rather serious hobby), and like my other hobbies, tends to be shelved periodically when something more interesting comes up. Someone like MNb, who is far more well-versed in the KG than myself, is probably ideal for keeping lines up-to-date over the long haul.

I guess what made me ask the question is on other (non-chess specific) forums, I've seen contributors start a thread, and then post 5-6 replies immediately with some generic message like [space reserved for future updates] or something. That way I can get around the 11,000 character limit and have seperate replies for Kieseritzky, Fischer, Rosentreter, Quaade, etc.

And as far as eBooks...I'm honestly not very familiar with the format, but if someone else wanted to make the transfer or show me how to do it...that'd be fine.

Anyways, here's one of the sections I've completed. It stands out because it's almost entirely ChessPub original analysis.



Fischer Defense – Furhoff Attack (1 e4 e5 2 f4 exf4 3 Nf3 d6 4 d4 g5 5 Nc3 Bg7 6 g3)
Note: 5…g4 6 Bxf4 gxf3 7 Qxf3 transposes to Rosentreter Gambit 6…d6 7 Nc3 lines

• [1] 6…g4 7 Nf4 f3 8 Be3
  
  • a) 8…Bf6 9 Qd2
    9 Nf5 Bxf5 10 exf5 Bg5! (Jensen) 11 Bxg5 Qxg5 12 Qd3 Nc6 =+ (MNb)
    9 Nxf3!? (MNb) 9…gxf3 10 Qxf3 Bg7 (10…Nc6 11 O-O-O Be6 (11…Bg5!?) 12 Qh5! Qe7 13 e5 unclear (MNb)) 11 Bc4 Be6 12 Bxe6 fxe6 13 Rf1 Qf7 14 Qh5+ Qg6 15 Qb5+ Nd7 16 Qxb7 Rb8 17 Qxa7 unclear (MNb: “murky – White gets quite a lot of pawns”)
    9…Nc6
    9…Bxh4 10 gxh4 Qxh4+ 11 Bf2 Qh6 12 Qxh6! Nxh6 13 Nd5 with compensation, Furhoff-Eriksson, Helsingborg 1991
    10 O-O-O
    10 Nd5 Bxh4 11 gxh4 Be6 12 O-O-O Bxd5 (12…Qd7 13 Nb4!? with compensation (MNb)) 13 exd5 Nce7 14 Bb5+ with compensation (MNb)
    10…Nge7
    10…Bxh4 11 gxh4 Bd7 12 Qf2 += or +/- (MNb: “now 13 h3 leaves Black with the question of how to finish his development”)
    11 Nd5 Nxd5 12 exd5 Ne7 13 Bh6 Nxd5 14 h3 with compensation (Jensen)
  • b) 8…Nge7 9 Qd2 Nd7
    9…Ng6 10 Nf5! (Hague) 10…Bxf5 11 exf5 Ne7 12 Bg5 f6 13 Bf4 Nxf5 14 O-O-O with compensation (Hague) 
    10 O-O-O Nb6 11 Bd3 Be6 12 h3 h5 13 Rde1 c6
    13…Nc4 14 Bxc4 Bxc4 15 Bf4 Qd7 16 Nf5 Rg8 17 hxg4 hxg4 18 b3 += Shulman-Kamberi, Stillwater 2001 
    14 Nf5 Bxf5 15 exf5 d5?
    15…Qc7 16 hxg4 hxg4 17 Rxh8+ Bxh8 18 Bg5 f6 19 Bh4 with compensation
    15…Qd7 16 hxg4 hxg4 17 Rxh8+ Bxh8 18 Bf2 with compensation
    15…Kd7 16 hxg4 (16 Ne4!?; 16 Bg5 f6 17 Bf4) 16…hxg4 17 Rxh8+ Bxh8 18 Bf2 with compensation
    16 Bg5 f6 17 Bf4 Qd7 18 hxg4 hxg4 19 Rxh8+ Bxh8 20 Qh2 O-O-O 21 Qh7 +/- (All analysis after 13…c6 by MNb)
  • c) 8…Nc6 9 Qd2 Nce7
    9…Bf6 – 8…Bf6 9 Qd2 Nc6
    10 h3 h5 11 O-O-O c6 (Kennaugh-Bellin ENG 1999) 12 Bf4 unclear (MNb)
• [2] 6…g4 7 Nf4 f3 8 h3 h5 9 Be3 Bf6
  9…Nge7 10 Qd2 Ng6 (10…Nd7 11 O-O-O Nb6 12 Bd3 Be6 – 8 Be3 Nge7 9 Qd2 Nd7) 11 Nxg6 fxg6 += (MNb)
  9…Nc6 10 Qd2!? (Brendo)
  10 hxg4!
  10 Nf5 Bxf5 11 exf5 d5 12 hxg4 hxg4 13 Rxh8 Bxh8 14 Qd2 Nc6 15 O-O-O Qd7 16 Bg5 f7 17 Bf4 O-O-O 18 Nb5 with compensation (MNb)
  10…hxg4
  10…Bxg4 11 Qd2 Nc6 12 O-O-O += (Snow)
  11 Qd2 Rxh4
  11…Bxh4+ – 11…Rxh4
  12 gxh4 Bxh4+ 13 Rxh4 Qxh4+ 14 Qf2 Qxf2+
  14…g3 15 Qxf3 g2+ 16 Kd2 gxf1Q 17 Rxf1 f5 (17…Qh7 18 Nd5 +-) 18 Nd5 +/- (Snow)
  15 Kxf2 Ne7!
  15…c6 16 Bd3 Ne7 17 Rh1 Be7 18 Rh8+ Kd7 19 d5 cxd5 20 Bb5+ Kc7 21 Re8 Nec6 22 exd5 Bd7 23 Rf8 Nd8 (23…Ne5 24 Bxd7 Kxd7 25 Bg5 +/- Snow) 24 Bxd7 Kxd7 (24…Nxd7 25 Nb5+ +- Frendo) 25 Rg8 +- (Frendo)
  16 Bc4 Kf8
  16…f5 17 Rh1 += (Frendo)
  16…Be6 17 Bxe6 (17 Rh1 Kg7 =+ MNb) 17…fxe6 18 Rh1 (18 Kg3 = Frendo) 18…Nd7! (18…Kd7 19 Rh8 += Frendo; 18…d5 19 exd5 Nxd5 (19…exd5 20 Bg5 += Frendo) 20 Nxd5 exd5 21 Rh8+ Kd7 22 Kg3 += Frendo) 19 Rh8+ Nf8 20 Kg3 O-O-O 
  (20…Nc6 21 Kxg4 e5 22 d5 Nd4 23 Bxd4 exd4 24 Nb5 f2 25 Rh1 O-O-O 26 Kf3 Nh7 27 Kxf2 Ng5 28 Ke2 = Frendo) 
  21 Kxg4 Nfg6 22 Rxd8+ Kxd8 23 Kxf3 b6 (23…d5 24 a4 += Frendo) 24 Kg4 c6 25 Kg5 = (Frendo)
  17 Bh6+ Kg8
  17…Ke8 18 Bg5! Nbc6 
  (18…Be6 19 Bxe6 fxe6 20 Rh1 Kh7 (20…Ng8 21 Nb5 Na6 22 Rh7 Rb8 23 Nxc7+ Nxc7 24 Rxc7 +/- Frendo; 20…Ng6 21 Rh7 Nc6 22 d5 Nce5 23 dxe6 +/- Frendo) 21 Bxe7! Kxe7 22 Rh8 += Frendo) 
  19 Bf6 Ng8 20 Bg7 Na5 21 Bb5+ Bd7 (21…c6 22 Bd3 b6 23 Rh1 Ne7 24 b4 += Frendo) 22 Nd5 Rc8 23 Bxd7+ Kxd7 24 Rg1 = Frendo
  18 Bg5 Nbc6
  18…Ng6 19 Nd5 += (Frendo)
  18…Nec6 19 Nd5 += (Frendo)
  18…Kf8 19 Rh1 Be6 20 Bxe6 fxe6 21 Nb5 Na6 22 Rh8+ Ng8 23 Rh4 += (Frendo)
  19 Bf6 Ng6 (MNb)
  19…Kf8 20 Rh1 Ng8 21 Rh8+ += (Frendo)
  20 Nd5 Na5! 21 Bd3
  21 Nxc7? Nxc4 22 Nxa8 Nf4! -+ (MNb)
  21...c5
  21…c6 22 Nc6 Rb8 23 b4 Bd7 24 e5 unclear (MNb)
  22 dxc5 dxc5 23 e5 Nc6 24 Re1 Nb4 25 Nxb4 cxb4 26 Bxg6
  26 Rh1 Kf8 27 Be4 Rb8 28 Bxg6 fxg6 29 Rh7 Be7 30 Bg7+ Ke7 31 Bf6+ Kf8 32 Bg7 = (Frendo)
  26…fxg6 27 e6 Bxe6 28 Rxe7 Kf7 29 Rd6 Re8 30 Bd4 Re2 unclear (Frendo)
• [3] 6…Nc6!? 7 Bb5
  7 d5?! Ne5 8 gxf4 (8 Bb5+ Bd7 9 Bxd7 Nxd7 10 gxf4 g4 11 Ng1 Qh4+ -/+ Estrin/Glazkov) 8…gxf4 8 Bxf4 Bg4 10 Bxe5 Bxe5 11 Bb5+ Kf8 12 O-O Nf6 -/+ (Estrin/Glazkov)
  7 Bc4?! g4; 7 gxf4?! g4 (Jensen: “did not look appealing”)
  
  • a) 7…a6 8 Bxc6+ bxc6 9 O-O
    9 Qd3 Qf6 10 gxf4 g4 11 e5 Qg6 12 Nh4 Qxd3 13 cxd3 f5 =+ Zeller-Renet, Swiss League 2006)
    9… g4 10 Nh4 f3 11 Be3 Ne7 12 Qd2 Ng6 13 Nf5 Bf6 14 Rae1 Rg8 15 Bh6 Ne7 16 Nxe7 Bxe7 17 d5! c5 18 e5! +/- Jensen-Edoo, Bronshoj Ch Copenhagen 2004
  • b) 7…g4 8 Nh3 f3 9 d5?!
    9 Be3!? Unclear
    9…a6 10 Ba4 b5
    10…Bxc3!? =+
    11 Nxb5 axb5 12 Bxb5 Nge7 13 dxc6 O-O =+, Furhoff-Sandor, Budapest 1994 

Summary: I have dubbed this line of the Fischer Defense (3…d6 4 d4 g5 5 Nc3!?) the Furhoff Attack after it’s original proponent and author of several games in this analysis. After 5…Bg7 (trying to head towards a Hanstein) 6 g3!?, White avoids the counter-productive 6 Bc4 and instead undermines Black’s pawn chain. Following 6…g4 (kicking the knight) 7 Nh3 f3, Black has gained a protected passed pawn; but at f3 – unlike f4 – the pawn proves to only be a minor nuisance to the White army. 

In most of these lines (Nc6/Bb5 ideas notwithstanding), White develops his queenside fluidly with Be3, Qd2, and O-O-O hoping to catch Black not fully developed. With the ideal pawn center d4/e4 and his king safe on the queenside, White can pursue plans of pushing through the center. Additionally, following h3/h5 and hxg4/hxg4, White can seek play down the h-file. White’s dark-squared bishop, unlike so many other KG lines with …exf4, and …g5, is a monster, patrolling the c1-h6 diagonal and stopping on f4, g5 and h6 depending on the pressing need. Indeed, these lines seem to be a microcosm of the modern interpretation of the KG (3 Nf3, at least) as they pit White’s development lead and better structure vs. Black’s extra material and cramping kingside pawns.

One of the key questions for White is when to include h3/h5. Line [1] delays that sequence, preferring the immediate 8 Be3. Line [2] instead continues 8 h3 h5 9 Be3. There’s no particularly conclusive evidence from the above lines, though 8 Be3 might be slightly more accurate. Note that none of the lines above feature an early Bc4 (the Hanstein complex) or …h6 (the Becker complex).

Huge kudos to the ChessPub analysis team of MNb, Michael Jensen (Dragonslayer), Glenn Snow, Ben Hague, and Frendo for the vast majority of analysis above. This is truly a homegrown line, as precious few little of it existed beforehand.

References: There’s nothing in any of the references materials I have. It’s all at ChessPub:
Fischer Thread #1
Fischer Thread #2

Is this possible here? On my old posts I don't see any edit buttons. There's a "modify" option for the first few hours or so (which incidentally I just used to correct a blunder that I missed...) but nothing where you can come back days/weeks later and update.

For example: I am working on putting together a King's gambit theoretical status thread, which is basically a compilation of all the theory (and none of the bickering) that have sprung out of the many KG threads we have here. It's a pretty big undertaking...I think I printed off 200 pages or so of old threads, to go through with a highlighter...and I'd rather start posting stuff sooner rather than later. 

(Side note: there's some truly valuable analysis here that's not available anywhere else. It speaks to what ChessPub is capable of)

I could just add new posts as time goes on, but I want to be able to incorporate changes and what not so all one would have to do is check the very first post (or ten, as there's an 11000 character limit) and they're up to date.

Mods, any suggestions?

David