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Re: Studying the Botvinnik Variation (Symm. English)
Reply #6 - 08/04/08 at 12:43:00
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I have been playing this as White on and off for many years and have a great score against both ...c5 and ...e5, but I know there is a problem for White, although no one has played it against me yet! Wink


According to GM Miezis the problem is if black plays completely symmetrical against the botvinnik, so e5+c5 against c4+e4. Thats why he normally does not play 5.e4 if black played symmetrical the first 4 moves.
  
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Re: Studying the Botvinnik Variation (Symm. English)
Reply #5 - 06/29/08 at 02:19:51
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MNb wrote on 06/28/08 at 13:04:58:
You might consider 5.Nf3 as Nf6 6.0-0 (or 6.d4 at once) 0-0 7.d4 is a good way to break the symmetry.


As a player who has played the english for a long time, it is imho that 5.Nf3 gives the best chances for a win. I have played the a3 system and while I have obtained many wins with it, some of the positions can be dead drawn (5.a3 a6 systems with Nf3 and d5). So I would suggest using Nf3 as your main weapon and using a3 as a secondary (surprise?) weapon.

But answering the question, I have only played 5.e4 on the internet. This e5 (e4 for white) system for black reversed is a very good defense and you would think that it would be even better with one move more!. However I generally only play it as black as 5.Nf3 imo is one of, if not the strongest reply.

It is difficult decision to play 5.Nf3 because the 5.e4 botvinnik system is especially strong against KID structures (the problem presented in tony's book). However I think the fianchetto variation of the KID is also strong enough to achieve an advantage against weaker players and therefore I generally transpose into it.

For example going by Tony's repertoire

1.c4 Nf6 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.Nc3 d6 now 5. e4 or 5.Nf3 is the question
sometimes I can guess if my opponent is going to play a KID so you can play e4, otherwise Nf3 is what I usually play as 5.e4 c5 is surely the test of whites system
  
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Re: Studying the Botvinnik Variation (Symm. English)
Reply #4 - 06/28/08 at 13:04:58
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You might consider 5.Nf3 as Nf6 6.0-0 (or 6.d4 at once) 0-0 7.d4 is a good way to break the symmetry.
  

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Re: Studying the Botvinnik Variation (Symm. English)
Reply #3 - 06/28/08 at 10:34:03
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Thanks for the quick reply, Tony!

GMTonyKosten wrote on 06/28/08 at 10:15:18:
I have been playing this as White on and off for many years and have a great score against both ...c5 and ...e5, but I know there is a problem for White, although no one has played it against me yet! Wink


You are not going to tell us the problem, right? Well, nor would I if I were a GM and still playing actively in tournaments.  Wink

Do you recommend looking at YOUR games for a start?   Smiley

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Re: Studying the Botvinnik Variation (Symm. English)
Reply #2 - 06/28/08 at 10:19:23
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CrushingAttack wrote on 06/28/08 at 09:48:03:
Certainly White may not be able to gain any real advantage after 1.c4 c5 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.Nc3 Nc6 5.e4 (allowing both 5...c5 and 5...e5), but he may well have the better understanding of the ensuing middlegame.

This is very true, but applies to the 5 a3 line as well, of course, and the only time I played 5...a6 as Black I got horribly crushed ...!
  
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Re: Studying the Botvinnik Variation (Symm. English)
Reply #1 - 06/28/08 at 10:15:18
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I have been playing this as White on and off for many years and have a great score against both ...c5 and ...e5, but I know there is a problem for White, although no one has played it against me yet! Wink
  
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Studying the Botvinnik Variation (Symm. English)
06/28/08 at 09:48:03
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Hello everybody,


after employing 1.d4 main lines for several years, I finally found interest in my old "English" repertoire again. Based on Tony Kosten's great book "The Dynamic English" I have been looking at the lines for quite a while now. While all of them are still playable, I have been unable to find an advantage in the pure Symmetrical after 1.c4 c5 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.Nc3 Nc6 5.a3, where both 5...a6 and 5...d6 are very good replies after some minor improvements for Black (and the gambit lines after 5...e6 6.b4!? also appear slightly shaky to me).
Thus, I thought it might be a good idea to take a closer look at 5.e4 (usually associated with Botvinnik) as it simultaneously gives a possible solution to the King's Indian lines, since I also don't fully believe in the extravagant Bg5 stuff as proposed by Kosten...
Certainly White may not be able to gain any real advantage after 1.c4 c5 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.Nc3 Nc6 5.e4 (allowing both 5...c5 and 5...e5), but he may well have the better understanding of the ensuing middlegame.
For a start, I thought it may be a good idea to study some high-class games, which may also reveal the subleties of the above-mentioned variations.
I'm surely not the first one to do that so I thought that maybe some of you could give me some recommendations for games worth looking at.
(While I have already been searching for games in my CB MegaBase, the mass makes it difficult to figure out which are worth looking at...)


Thanks in advance for replies,  Smiley
CrushingAttack

P.S.: If it matters, my playing strenght is ~ 2200 ELO.
  
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