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Re: best way to start learning the dragon
Reply #11 - 10/22/08 at 02:02:13
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flaviddude wrote on 10/22/08 at 01:49:39:


The ways to learn any opening are:

1) play through lots of games

2) play opening in blitz

3) try it in tournaments and analyze games afterwards. Use Dearing's book. 

Warnings. The dragon is very double edged. You can get smashed worse than the Australian cricket side.

Curiously for such a sharp opening there tend to be a lot of draws. 

One point to note is that if you are known to play the dragon people will avoid it by  playing various anti sicilians. 

Try the dragon out and see if you enjoy playing the variations that arise. If you don't then the Taimanov Kan variation complex is a very good choice as previously suggested.  But you might not like playing the positions that arise in this variation either.


if that does not work, i can always try the najdorf   Grin  

however is that why Carlsen plays the dragon because its sharp, but you can still get the draw?

those 3 points are very good.
  
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Re: best way to start learning the dragon
Reply #10 - 10/22/08 at 01:49:39
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bragesjo wrote on 10/21/08 at 09:13:17:
Best repertoure book is probebly Dearings book "Play the sicilian Dragon". For themes for both sides there is for example Gufelds "Secrets of the Sicilian Dragon". Martins book "Starting out the sicilian Dragon" is a good introduction to Chinese variation and a few other key lines but thats about it.

EDIT While I still think Dearings book is the best book, I do not follow hes recommendations in every line. Best way to learn a opening is to play it and analyse every game you played (even internet blitz/bullet games).


The ways to learn any opening are:

1) play through lots of games

2) play opening in blitz

3) try it in tournaments and analyze games afterwards. Use Dearing's book. 

Warnings. The dragon is very double edged. You can get smashed worse than the Australian cricket side.

Curiously for such a sharp opening there tend to be a lot of draws. 

One point to note is that if you are known to play the dragon people will avoid it by  playing various anti sicilians. 

Try the dragon out and see if you enjoy playing the variations that arise. If you don't then the Taimanov Kan variation complex is a very good choice as previously suggested.  But you might not like playing the positions that arise in this variation either.
  

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Reply #9 - 10/21/08 at 22:30:58
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The Rogozenko Chessbase CD is quite good material on the dragon


Agreed. I forgot to include that in my short appendix.

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Reply #8 - 10/21/08 at 19:18:38
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The Rogozenko Chessbase CD is quite good material on the dragon
  
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Reply #7 - 10/21/08 at 18:00:06
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gewgaw wrote on 10/21/08 at 11:47:24:
Don´t learn the dragon! I can´t give you a refutation of the dragon, but I can assure you, you´ll spend too many hours just with learning variations by heart. Learn the taimanov, you can learn it far quicker, it´s sounder and far more important you can play it lifelong without any preparation. Maybe the best hint: instead of the dragon, learn chinese, japanese and russian. Wink


lol, you might be right but the dragon is a lot more fun.  along the way i can learn japanese, russian, and instead of chinese, korean.   Wink  i do wonder what made Carlsen to go with the dragon instead of najdorf or the other sicilians?

btw, i did not know that Ward's WWTD 2 was such a collecters item, it is $39 used on amazon, WWTD 1 is just $4

  
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Reply #6 - 10/21/08 at 11:47:24
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Don´t learn the dragon! I can´t give you a refutation of the dragon, but I can assure you, you´ll spend too many hours just with learning variations by heart. Learn the taimanov, you can learn it far quicker, it´s sounder and far more important you can play it lifelong without any preparation. Maybe the best hint: instead of the dragon, learn chinese, japanese and russian. Wink
  

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Re: best way to start learning the dragon
Reply #5 - 10/21/08 at 09:13:17
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Best repertoure book is probebly Dearings book "Play the sicilian Dragon". For themes for both sides there is for example Gufelds "Secrets of the Sicilian Dragon". Martins book "Starting out the sicilian Dragon" is a good introduction to Chinese variation and a few other key lines but thats about it.

EDIT While I still think Dearings book is the best book, I do not follow hes recommendations in every line. Best way to learn a opening is to play it and analyse every game you played (even internet blitz/bullet games).
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Re: best way to start learning the dragon
Reply #4 - 10/21/08 at 06:37:33
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The problem here is that I think Ward's WWTD books might be the best way to learn the dragon, but you won't have a working repertoire.  I forget what he advocated in WWTD I, but his main lines in the Yugoslav from WWTD II are, if I recall correctly, essentially refuted.

Still, I'd suggest getting that book.  The dragon is very thematic, and understanding the various tactical motifs is the most important part when you are just starting out.  You can put together a repertoire later on, and I don't know of a better place to learn the basics.
  
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Re: best way to start learning the dragon
Reply #3 - 10/21/08 at 01:49:42
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wcywing wrote on 10/20/08 at 23:12:59:
i'm thinking about learning to play the Dragon.  i know there is lots of theory to learn but its fun to play.  i have NCO for the main lines, and of course i should sign up with chess publishing for anything new.  but what about the other sources such as Dearing's book and Martin's book.  i know theory keeps changing but one has to start somewhere.  any comments will be appreciated.  


If you want to learn the spirit, themes, do's and dont's of the Dragon, start With Chris Ward's Winning With The Dragon 1. Continue the journey with Winning With The Dragon 2 by the same author, after which you should be imbued with the thought process and armed with the tools neccessary to play the Dragon successfully.

Further recommended reading could be: 

Easy Guide to the Dragon by Golubev - A concise but remarkably useful and accurate (for the most part) reference work.

Sicilian Dragon by Goran Kosanovic - A little known but quite good repertoire book on the Dragon, also very concise.

Play The Sicilian Dragon by Eddie Dearing - Quite a good book, well laid out, and the most current in print at the moment. Although its ostensibly a repertoire book, it does provide an overview on many topical and alternative lines to the ones suggested. Highly recommended despite Tiviakov's scathing condemnation of it.

Gufeld & Stetsko - Useless as a learning text and almost useless as a reference one.

Attila Schneider's two volume work - Clearly a labor of love and quite inspirational, but be warned many of his original analyses and conclusions have been proven to be incorrect over time in the sharper Yugoslav lines. Verdict, good but not great.

I don't have Andrew Martin's book on the Dragon, but if you are a fan of his style then by all means indulge yourself.

Hope that helps.

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Re: best way to start learning the dragon
Reply #2 - 10/21/08 at 00:29:53
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MNb wrote on 10/21/08 at 00:06:11:
It looks like you need some decent overview. As far as I know the latest books are repertoire books. I use Gufeld/Stetsko, which is usually heavily criticised, but is useful as an introduction (and nothing more).


that's strange, at amazon it averages 4 out of 5 stars.  of course most of the reviewers are not experts or masters but it could still mean something.  thank you for your fast reply.  i'd imagine Martin's book would be good too.
  
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It looks like you need some decent overview. As far as I know the latest books are repertoire books. I use Gufeld/Stetsko, which is usually heavily criticised, but is useful as an introduction (and nothing more).
  

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i'm thinking about learning to play the Dragon.  i know there is lots of theory to learn but its fun to play.  i have NCO for the main lines, and of course i should sign up with chess publishing for anything new.  but what about the other sources such as Dearing's book and Martin's book.  i know theory keeps changing but one has to start somewhere.  any comments will be appreciated.
  
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