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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #21 - 02/16/11 at 12:05:44
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I don't know about 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. b4 but 1. e4 c5 2. a3!? which has been mentioned in this thread is pretty deadly and against it I always play the coward move2...g6 which makes the move a3 look a little awkward.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #20 - 02/02/11 at 17:59:33
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Gary Lane does a very interesting write up on this months Opening Lanes ...chesscafe.com
of The Portsmouth Gambit

  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #19 - 02/23/10 at 20:35:28
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trw wrote on 02/23/10 at 04:43:11:
X-Man wrote on 02/22/10 at 20:51:25:
trw wrote on 02/21/10 at 06:24:28:
why is this to be preferred to some the actually wing gambit though? Something like e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 axb4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 looks far preferrable to me than anything mentioned on the Portsmouth so far.

I mean honestly I want to have compensation for the pawn not just a bunch of tricks and traps even the most unprepared opponent can easily avoid as long as its not blitz.


The point is that with the black knight on c6 the advance d4-d5 is more powerful. Therefore unlike the original Wing Gambit the Portsmouth Gamibt offers more chances to gain the initiative.



There I completely disagree.  e6 can be played to prevent d4-d5 in the portsmouth which is a disgusting pawn advance anyways because of the gaping hole on e5.

In the actual wing gambit I still have my cpawn so I can play c4 forcing d5 late in the game when its useful. Plus I'd rather see black play Nbd7 uncoordinating his pieces, what will he do with the Bc8 bishop now? Lets not forget this line I posted is like an improved Evans gambit cause I already have an active rook on a1! Where in the portsmouth line the rook is useless on a1. 

I don't see any compensation in the line you posted and would never play it. While the line I posted.... I play all the time beating many experts with it.


I agree that 4. ... e6 is a serious test to White´s ambitions, but it certain doesn´t refute the Portsmouth Gambit. See:

5.d5 (Worth trying is as well:
 
a) 5.Bd3!? d5 6.Nbd2 Be7 7.e5 Nh6 8.Nb3 Nf5 9.g4 Nh4 10.Nxh4 Bxh4 11.0-0 f6 12.f4 0-0 13.Be3 += Hansson,D – Niklasson,C, Sweden 1976, 1:0,19.;
 
b) 5.a3!? Nf6 <d5 6.exd5 exd5 7.Bd3 Nf6 8.0-0 Be7 9.axb4 Nxb4 10.Re1 0-0 11.Ba3 += omacron2 – webcruiser, Gameknot Internet Game 2007; 5. …bxa3 6.c3 Be7 7.Nxa3 Nf6 8.Bd3 0-0 9.h4 d5 10.e5 thunderman – sergeidave, Gameknot Internet 2005; game has actually transformed into a French Wing Gambit with good chances for White> 6.Bd3 <6.axb4 Lxb4+ 7.c3 Le7 8.Bd3 De Jong,P – etna, ICS 1998> Be7 7.0-0 Qb6 8.c3 bxc3 9.NXc3 a6 10.d5 exd5 11.exd5 Nd4 12.Re1 +- Grummich,H – Assmann,H, OIBM Bank Hofmann 1997) 
 
5. …  Qf6 (alternatively 5. …exd5 6.exd5 and now:
 
a) 6. …Qe7+  7.Be2 Ne5 (Na5 8.0-0 Nf6 9.Re1 Qd6 10.c4 bxc3 11.Ba3 Qc7 12.Bb5+ Kd8 13.Ng5 +- amicus – a_train_5, Gameknot Internet  Game2003) 8.Nd4 (8.0-0) d6 9.0-0 Nf6 10.Re1 Kd8 11.f4 +- Kondziela,A – Hennings,D, Dresden 2008 

b) 6. … Na5 7.Bb2 Nf6 8.d6 Ne4 9.Qd5 Nf6 10.Qe5+ +- amicus – mercury_whyte, Gameknot Internet Game 2003)
 
6.c3  and now:
 
a) 6. …bxc3  7.dxc6  c2  8.Qxc2 Qxa1  9.e5 (9.cxd7+ Bxd710.Qb3 is also interesting, Bolding,K – Lerch,P, Marseille 2001)  Ne7! (Bb4+?  10.Kd1  Bc5  11.Bc4  Bd4  12.Nfd2  b5  13.Nb3  bxc4  14.Nxa1  Bxa1  15.Qxc4  Lxe5  16.Qe4   1:0 Ruisinger,W - Bossi, Mendrisio Open 1988) 10.a3 Nxc6 (10. …bxc6? 11.Lb2 Qxb1+ 12Qxb1 +-) 11.Bb2 Nb4 12.Qc1 (12.axb4 Bxb4+ 13.Nfd2 Qa5=) Na2 and drawn because of repetition, Yilmaz,T - Kouatly,B Thessaloniki 1984 
 
b)      6. …Ne5?! 7.Nd4 exd5 8.Nb5 Bc5 9.f4 Kd8 10.Qxd5 d6 11.Nd4 Nd7 12.Nb3 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nc6 14.Bb2 Bb6 15.cxb4 +-Savverymuttu,S - Lees,D, Rhyl 1969 


 

  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #18 - 02/23/10 at 04:43:11
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X-Man wrote on 02/22/10 at 20:51:25:
trw wrote on 02/21/10 at 06:24:28:
why is this to be preferred to some the actually wing gambit though? Something like e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 axb4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 looks far preferrable to me than anything mentioned on the Portsmouth so far.

I mean honestly I want to have compensation for the pawn not just a bunch of tricks and traps even the most unprepared opponent can easily avoid as long as its not blitz.


The point is that with the black knight on c6 the advance d4-d5 is more powerful. Therefore unlike the original Wing Gambit the Portsmouth Gamibt offers more chances to gain the initiative.



There I completely disagree.  e6 can be played to prevent d4-d5 in the portsmouth which is a disgusting pawn advance anyways because of the gaping hole on e5.

In the actual wing gambit I still have my cpawn so I can play c4 forcing d5 late in the game when its useful. Plus I'd rather see black play Nbd7 uncoordinating his pieces, what will he do with the Bc8 bishop now? Lets not forget this line I posted is like an improved Evans gambit cause I already have an active rook on a1! Where in the portsmouth line the rook is useless on a1. 

I don't see any compensation in the line you posted and would never play it. While the line I posted.... I play all the time beating many experts with it.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #17 - 02/22/10 at 20:54:12
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trw wrote on 02/22/10 at 05:30:49:
I would like to see the BCCA article! I believe the analysis i'm referring to on d4 immediately I got from chesspublishing.


I am very interested in this article, too. Can someone post it here or at least tell where it is availabe?
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #16 - 02/22/10 at 20:51:25
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trw wrote on 02/21/10 at 06:24:28:
why is this to be preferred to some the actually wing gambit though? Something like e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 axb4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 looks far preferrable to me than anything mentioned on the Portsmouth so far.

I mean honestly I want to have compensation for the pawn not just a bunch of tricks and traps even the most unprepared opponent can easily avoid as long as its not blitz.


The point is that with the black knight on c6 the advance d4-d5 is more powerful. Therefore unlike the original Wing Gambit the Portsmouth Gamibt offers more chances to gain the initiative.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #15 - 02/22/10 at 05:30:49
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I would like to see the BCCA article! I believe the analysis i'm referring to on d4 immediately I got from chesspublishing.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #14 - 02/21/10 at 23:40:10
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trw wrote on 02/21/10 at 22:34:56:
you know the more I think about it even 1 e4 c5 b4 cxb4 d4 is better even though this has long known to be very good for black.


Huh? Care to explain why? Big comment, no moves. Elaborate please....

btw

e4 c5
Nf3 Nc6
b4 Nb4
c3 Nc6
d4 d6

may be a tough nut to crack (and not mentioned in the BCCA article).

Rest is quite good fun.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #13 - 02/21/10 at 22:34:56
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you know the more I think about it even 1 e4 c5 b4 cxb4 d4 is better even though this has long known to be very good for black.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #12 - 02/21/10 at 12:25:10
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The point is obviously c3 to kick the knight, then d4. 

Mildly diverting article in BCCA mag last year or the year before. 

Still not much cop really.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #11 - 02/21/10 at 11:46:05
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After 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6, 3.b4 is garbage. After 3...Nb4 4.d4, Black should play not 4...d5?! but 4...cd4! 5.Nd4 (5.c3 dc3 is just too generous) 5...e6 and we have a Taimanov where Black has his knight on b4 instead of c6, and White is down an important pawn.

That's even less compensation than after 1.d4 e5 2.de5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qe7.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
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why is this to be preferred to some the actually wing gambit though? Something like e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 axb4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 looks far preferrable to me than anything mentioned on the Portsmouth so far.

I mean honestly I want to have compensation for the pawn not just a bunch of tricks and traps even the most unprepared opponent can easily avoid as long as its not blitz.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #9 - 02/20/10 at 19:30:12
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I am playing this one for over 20 years now and found it quite playable especially in blitz and rapid games. One main advantage is that this line is nearly totally ignored by official chess theory. So the white player´s knowledge of this gambit ist clearly superior. Sure, the are some lines which are critical and pose problems to get full compensation for the sacrified material (e.g. 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 Nxb4 4.d4 d5 5.exd5 Qxd5 6.Be2 cxd4), but there are many traps for Black which have to be avoided. For example, after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 cxb4 4.d4 d5 5.exd5 Qxd5 6.c4 bxc3 7.Nxc3 Qa5 it would be a blunder to play 8.d5?! because of e6. But this move is hard to find for an unprepared player, and i experienced that most oppenents can´t resist to play the tempting 8. ... Qxc3+, after which Black is lost. 

Ianto, do you know why this one is called Portsmouth Gambit? And it would be nice if you could tell me where to get the articles by Barden and Clough mentioned in your posting. 

  
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The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
This is not an a3 Gambit !!!!#@$ Please 
if black plays 3...Nxb4 the idea of this Gambit is to play 4.c3 (not 4.a3)
then when black plays 4...Nc6 (note the Knight has moved twice and is on the same square it was on , on move two) then white plays 5 d4
now if 5...cxd4 6 cxd4  white has two central pawns and open lines, in compensation for the pawn.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #7 - 03/03/09 at 03:54:26
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Try Dobrov-Aroshidze, Kavala Open 2004.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #6 - 03/03/09 at 03:07:11
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Big deal. After 1 e4 c5 2 a3 g6 3 b4 Bg7 4 Nc3 Nf6 5 Bb2 00 the position seems even to me.
  
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1.e4 c5 2.a3 should be met with g6! and White must play accurately to maintain equality.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #4 - 03/02/09 at 18:57:01
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I always thought 1.e4 c5 2.a3, intending 3.b4 in most lines, was the best form of the Wing Gambit, with White no worse than equal in all lines.  Some high-rated players have used it and a book was written on it a few years ago.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #3 - 03/02/09 at 04:54:04
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Worth a try. What about 1 e4 c5 2 a3!?

Also, why not discuss this in more detail, this Portsmouth Gambit? I don't see too much theory posted here.

Sure avoids the over-analyzed Sicialian. Now, what do you do after:

1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 b4 Nxb4 ?
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #2 - 02/06/09 at 23:21:39
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I've long had the impression that it's probably the most reasonable form of the Wing.
  
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Re: The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
Reply #1 - 02/06/09 at 23:13:04
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Even Sloughter could refute this one.
  
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The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 !
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The Portsmouth Gambit 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.b4 
is a serious attempt to delay The Sicilian Wing Gambit but unlike The Wing Gambit white plays an early c3 and d4 like in the Evans gambit, if black take the pawn with the Knight.
Or if black plays c5xb4 then white plays d4 and takes the centre.
The thing is even Gary Kasparov (Rememer him) played this last October in a Simul ,and it does avoid 30 moves of theory.
Len Barden wrote an excellent article on this back in the 70s, in The Gaurdian and Fred Clough has just finished a Massive article to be published by The B.C.C.A (U.K)
  
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