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Re: Accelerated dragon as a defence vs. 1.Nf3/1.c4
Reply #9 - 11/30/09 at 23:15:02
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That's why 1.c4 c5 2.Nc3 g6(!) 3.Nf3 Bg7(!) is the correct move order. I played this for some time and it was OK (though I was not always comfortable with the Maroczy). You don't have to be afraid of being move-ordered out of a Gurgenidze system, because after 4.d4 cd4: 5.Nd4: Nc6 white doesn't have time for e4.

When that was my main defence with black I supplemented it with the Botwinnik system against the English (with which I was very successful, Palliser is an excellent source on that). So against 1.Nf3 c5 or 1.c4 c5 you will always get either a Sicilian, Accelerated Dragon or Botwinnik system (where white doesn't play d4 and black develops with c5,g6,Bg7,Nc6,e5,d6,Nge7), and you don't need to play the Gruenfeld.  Cool
  
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Re: Accelerated dragon as a defence vs. 1.Nf3/1.c4
Reply #8 - 09/26/09 at 21:27:17
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Yes, I forgot that one. It is in Taimanov already and he concludes += at least.
  

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Re: Accelerated dragon as a defence vs. 1.Nf3/1.c4
Reply #7 - 09/25/09 at 21:42:12
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But on 1. c4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nf3 g6(?!) there is 4. e3.
  
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Re: Accelerated dragon as a defence vs. 1.Nf3/1.c4
Reply #6 - 09/25/09 at 21:15:29
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As far as I can see Tracke is right. Taimanov in his 1985 book on the English (do you know that one, Tracke? A small disadvantage of united Germany is that Sportverlag Berlin does not exist anymore) deals with transpositional issues, without investigating the Acc. Dragon itself.

1.c4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 g6 6.e4 or first 6.Nc2.
1.c4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 g6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Bg7 6.Nc2 (6.e3) d6, Nf6 or even Bxc3+!?
1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 (Nc6) 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 or g6.

White can avoid the Acc. Dragon in two ways:
1.c4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 postponing or not playing d2-d4.
1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.g3 Bg7 6.Bg2 Nc6 not playing e2-e4. You should check if Black can force an Acc. Dragon by playing ...Nc6 at an earlier stage.

I suppose the only independent way to avoid the Acc. Dragon after 1.Nf3 is not playing c2-c4. After 1.Nf3 c5 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.0-0 Nc6 White will have to make a choice though.
  

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Re: Accelerated dragon as a defence vs. 1.Nf3/1.c4
Reply #5 - 09/25/09 at 08:23:00
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Imo the Grünfeld fits perfectly with the Acc. Dragon! 

This was at least my last repertoire (10-20 years ago on 1800-2100 level) before I switched to Caro-Kann/Slav. 
Regarding 1.AccDragon (2...Nc6) 2.Grünfeld 3. Grünfeld setups against flank openings I always recognized the Maroczy as weakest part of my black rep. If you don´t have problems with that, it´s okay!

You can play 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 or 2...g6 3.e4 c5! or 1.c4 Nf6 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 d5 or 1.Nf3 g6. If you play Acc.Dragon via 2...g6 (I´m not sure about the correctness of that) you´re even more flexible than I was. Bad news are that you won´t get Gurgenidze every time, you should also know Maroczy main line...
Many (white rep) books claim that White has easy += in some Anti-Grünfeld systems but, first, I don´t agree with this, and, second, they usually preassume that Black is not ready to play the Maroczy!

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Re: Accelerated dragon as a defence vs. 1.Nf3/1.c4
Reply #4 - 09/24/09 at 22:31:34
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playing this way vs  c4 or nf3 is good idea they pretty much have to go for a moroczy for a theoreticsl edge andit saves a lot of time in preparation.. However i think c4 nf3 players prefer to play maroczy than i e4 players - also you have to be careful in your move order to get the gurgenidze
  
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Re: Accelerated dragon as a defence vs. 1.Nf3/1.c4
Reply #3 - 08/21/09 at 15:32:19
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"Chess Openings for Black, Explained", by Alburt et al, recommends answering 1.c4 c5 with a view to getting a Gurgenidze (the proposed defence to 1.e4) after Nf3 and d4. 

On the other hand they don't really have the option of transposing into their recommended defence to 1.d4, because that's the Nimzo/Bogo. Since your Noteboom/Stonewall set-up is playable against nearly everything except 1.e4, it seems more economical to use that - thus avoiding Symmetrical English lines which don't transpose to a Maroczy.
  
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Re: Accelerated dragon as a defence vs. 1.Nf3/1.c4
Reply #2 - 08/21/09 at 14:38:07
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I recommend meeting 1.c4 with 1...e5 2.Nc3/2.g3 Nf6 followed by a timely ...Bb4. If White postpones Nc3, play 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 c6 4.d4 Bb4.

If 1.Nf3, I recommend 1...d5 2.c4 c6/e6.
  

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Re: Accelerated dragon as a defence vs. 1.Nf3/1.c4
Reply #1 - 08/21/09 at 13:56:29
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The main difference is that white can play systems based upon g3 and Bg2. White can also play lines where the e pawn is at or e3 instead of e4. 

Black can also use a combo of accelerated dragon and for example Benoni systems or Benko gambit since white can avoid Benko/Benoni lines after by playing Nf3 instead of c4.

Since I dont play these lines myself I can not give concrete lines but we have lots of players at this forum who can.
  
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Accelerated dragon as a defence vs. 1.Nf3/1.c4
08/21/09 at 12:28:40
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I'm an aspiring club player who has been playing the accelerated for over a year now using Andrew Greet's book as a source.  I've become fairly comfortable with the opening and consider it to be my "best" opening in my repertoire at the moment.  

   However, I have had some problems deciding what to play against 1. c4 and 1. Nf3.   Against d4 I typically setup a slav position hoping to transpose into a noteboom or stonewall so my thought was to take either my opening knowledge of the accelerated or my transpositional slav and use it against 1.Nf3 and 1.c4 since both seem to be setups that I can use against those two openings(the exception being 1.c4 for my dutch, where I instead have been trying the anglodutch), cutting down on my opening preparation time so I can focus on studying more important things.

   My first question would be , do you think it better to use my d5 setup or my accelerated dragon against  these two opening moves?  Secondly, if I do decide on the dragon against them, I'm assuming that I'll be playing against a maroczy bind.  I generally play the gurgendize system against a normal bind resulting from e4.  How do the moves differ when playing it against 1.c4 and 1.Nf3?  What sort of differences and move orders would I need to look out for?  





  
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