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Re: Should Gambit be banned?
Reply #18 - 04/23/10 at 18:47:07
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In fairness to Gambit the recent deleted post wasn't very bad, just provocative.  My starting this is more a due to cumulative weariness with this person than to particularly bad conduct recently.  Actually he has stopped doing some bad things, like always talking about cowardice in chess, since I started deleting his posts that contain it.

P.S. So far as I know, only Tony has the power to ban, and that is as it should be.
  

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Re: Should Gambit be banned?
Reply #17 - 04/23/10 at 17:19:56
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ChevyBanginStyle wrote on 04/23/10 at 15:40:50:
Is the problem really Gambit or rather people who have contempt for the way he plays chess? I see a lot of contempt from people who don't add much at all to the discussion. Why is that OK? There's more than one side to this, and I tend to have more respect for Gambit the more I see this type of thing.

There are different types of chess players. Maybe some fashion themselves after Kramnik, while others have an approach much closer to the late Chepukaitis. I think there should be room for both.

@TonyRo

I don't like where you're going with that. A lot of people are not interested in most of the openings that Stefan Buecker analyzes, but I would consider him one of the best contributors in the forum.

Maybe there should be a poll on who is more annoying: mavericks or imperialists Tongue

Well it should be said I don't have to worry too much about the former censoring me...


I totally agree with your commens about Buecker - he's an absolutely invaluable resource for the rest of the members of this forum, and it wouldn't be the same without him. In fact, I won the first "Find a novelty" contest he posed in this forum - and it was on an offbeat variation. 

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Re: Should Gambit be banned?
Reply #16 - 04/23/10 at 16:46:01
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@Chevy, I don't think the issue is Gambit's playing style or passion for the BDG and other weird chess openings. The issue is more tangential postings. 

I do recall well two particularly offensive threads - one on the Confederacy and another on the Jewish Palestinian conflict. Both were deleted. But both of these  occurred some time ago. Now I have not seen  any recent offensive posts, so I cannot pass judgement here.

As someone who tends to be somewhat irreverent in my own postings  sometimes, I am very wary of going down the slippery slope of banning persons for simply being insulting or provocative. But as I said before, I do not know the content the recently deleted posts in question. I think before we even do go down that road however, the following should be taken:

1) A set of clear rules on what constitutes acceptable and unacceptable postings
2) Some kind of progressive disciplinary system. For example, perhaps a warning first, followed by a one month ban before permanently banning, depending on the nature of the offence
3) Clear protocol as to who has the authority to enforce each level of disciplinary action. For example, a permanent banning should not occur simply on the judgement of one single moderator.

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Re: Should Gambit be banned?
Reply #15 - 04/23/10 at 16:30:28
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 04/23/10 at 02:20:58:
What sort of system do we have that people think they can decide whether someone should be banned by resorting to a popularity contest?

This sort of heavyhandedness gives the moderators a bad name.  

We moderators have Tony's ear when it comes to banning people.  This recourse to a poll is offensive to me.


Well I didn't start this poll on the supposition that the vote taken here would necessarily determine the eventual result.  But it did seem to me to be the only decent way to see whether there was a consensus on this question.  It appears that there is not.

It is you who characterize this as a popularity contest; I would have supposed that it was a discussion of the merits of the question.  

I agree that it looks presumptuous to intitiate such a question, but on the other hand, I don't think anyone here will assert that in light of this person's behavior, there is no basis for considering this.

@Chevy: "Imperialistic" (in a Star Wars sense, I suppose?) would have been to engineer a ban without seeking a consensus.
  

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Re: Should Gambit be banned?
Reply #14 - 04/23/10 at 15:40:50
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Is the problem really Gambit or rather people who have contempt for the way he plays chess? I see a lot of contempt from people who don't add much at all to the discussion. Why is that OK? There's more than one side to this, and I tend to have more respect for Gambit the more I see this type of thing.

There are different types of chess players. Maybe some fashion themselves after Kramnik, while others have an approach much closer to the late Chepukaitis. I think there should be room for both.

@TonyRo

I don't like where you're going with that. A lot of people are not interested in most of the openings that Stefan Buecker analyzes, but I would consider him one of the best contributors in the forum.

Maybe there should be a poll on who is more annoying: mavericks or imperialists Tongue

Well it should be said I don't have to worry too much about the former censoring me...
  
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Re: Should Gambit be banned?
Reply #13 - 04/23/10 at 15:06:16
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I tend to agree with Markovich here generally, although I do agree that the thread could be changed to be a bit more objective or purposeful. I'm surprised that this question hasn't been brought up sooner. It seems as though every time a thread of his is discussed, arguments completely unrelated to chess break out, posts need to be deleted and the threads need to be cleaned up. I would say that 90-95% of it is due to Gambit's "writing style", personality, and take on how chess should be played relative to everyone elses. 

Overall, I'd say the problems and aggravations caused are certainly greater than his contribution theoretically to the foruma, although some may disagree. I have very little interest in the BDG and his other gambits.
  
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Re: Should Gambit be banned?
Reply #12 - 04/23/10 at 13:37:25
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Yeah, you're probably right about this poll.  But to entertain the larger question would be a good idea.
  

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Re: Should Gambit be banned?
Reply #11 - 04/23/10 at 09:23:52
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I actually delete quite a lot of people each month, either for spamming or for having names which sound like they are going to advertise something, or even for not posting at all! But this mostly goes unnoticed, I suppose. Undecided
Probably this poll is flawed in that it does appear to be more like a popularity contest, maybe we should make a more general poll asking if we should simply ban a) members who never post about chess, and b) members who set out to deliberately provoke arguments?!
  
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Reply #10 - 04/23/10 at 03:29:32
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Re: Should Gambit be banned?
Reply #9 - 04/23/10 at 02:20:58
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What sort of system do we have that people think they can decide whether someone should be banned by resorting to a popularity contest?

This sort of heavyhandedness gives the moderators a bad name.  

We moderators have Tony's ear when it comes to banning people.  This recourse to a poll is offensive to me.
  
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Re: Should Gambit be banned?
Reply #8 - 04/23/10 at 01:44:32
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No.

I don't think he's done anything outrageous enough to merit a ban, at least not in the time I've been here.
  

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Re: Should Gambit be banned?
Reply #7 - 04/23/10 at 01:39:29
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Antillian wrote on 04/22/10 at 19:46:24:
It is a bit hard to vote on the evidence of deleted posts.

It's not about deleted posts, it's about a whole history, which you know.  I don't propose this idly.  It's a fair proposition.  I wouldn't propose acting on a mere majority.  If any significant proportion votes not to ban, he should not be banned, and I'll say no more.
  

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Re: Should Gambit be banned?
Reply #6 - 04/22/10 at 22:01:04
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Putting this question is interesting. The first reflex should be not to answer but think how it comes to this. (Never take the first train coming if you haven't read the schedule).

A personal opinion: Never make the question of banning a forum member to a popularity contest.
  

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Reply #5 - 04/22/10 at 19:46:24
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It is a bit hard to vote on the evidence of deleted posts.
  

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Reply #4 - 04/22/10 at 18:54:39
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No. Actually I tire a bit of the ridicule from other people when I read those types of threads. OK, you're annoyed, but is it good moderation to let that determine your decision?

I wonder how many people are going to vote "yes" without giving a reason. There have been 4 votes so far and it appears that Stefan Buecker and I are the only ones who have voted "no" up to this point.
  
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