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Re: How to specially prepare against a 1.c4 player?
Reply #7 - 08/15/10 at 18:09:30
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I just do 1. .... g6. It might subconsciously cause white to strongly suggest e4 and/or d4 as the next move(s) because there is no challenge in the center, in which case I can get into a proper King's Indian setup.
  
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Re: How to specially prepare against a 1.c4 player?
Reply #6 - 08/14/10 at 05:56:56
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I played the Myers Defense, 1 c4 g5, quite a few times in the late 1990s and the early-to-mid 2000s.
Mind you, I beat some strong masters with it. If you have the courage to play 1...g5, then this is the way to go. Because it does take nerve to play ...g5 on the first move! But so what? IM Michael Basman did it just fine in the 1980s and the 1990s.

Another idea is the Halibut Gambit, 1 c4 b5!? which I have played a number of times. Your opponent won't expect this, so you might have an edge... as long as you know what you are doing!

Finally, you can try the Hippopotamus after 1 c4 b6 2 d4 g6 2 e4 d6 3 Nc3 Bg7 4 Bd3 Bb7 5 Nf3 h6 6 Qd2 a6

There is even a book, "The Hippopotamus Rises", by IM Andrew Martin.

I have played all three openings in tournaments and did quite well.
  
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Re: How to specially prepare against a 1.c4 player?
Reply #5 - 08/12/10 at 00:22:57
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You make a very good point BPaulsen and your advice is very helpful. As for your recommended lines I think 1...b6 will be my choice for the time being as it seems to require less preperation than 1...Nf6 2...c6. With time I will prepare this line well.

Mnb, now that I see you recommended variation I remember that this was precisely the opening my opponent outplayed the GM Smiley Not that you could possibly know this.
  
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Re: How to specially prepare against a 1.c4 player?
Reply #4 - 08/11/10 at 22:22:15
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Do you have any experience with the Closed Sicilian? 1.c4 g6 2.Nc3 Bg7 3.g3 d6 4.Bg2 e5 is closely related to 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7.
I don't like 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 0-0 5.d3 d6 6.e4 e5 7.Nge2 Nc6 8.0-0 for Black. In this particular case I think 6...c5 is better.
  

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Re: How to specially prepare against a 1.c4 player?
Reply #3 - 08/11/10 at 22:12:19
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When I know what my opponent plays ahead of time, especially club-level opponents like 2000s I immediately aim to spike their opening and set valid problems from the get-go. I don't forcefully limit myself to some repertoire concept.

Three options for dealing with a player you know plays that set-up well.

#1) 1. c4 Nf6 2. g3 g6 3. Bg2 d5 (Anglo-Grunfeld) is completely playable if you're okay with Grunfeld set-ups.

#2) 1. c4 Nf6 2. g3 c6 3. Bg2 d5 4. Nf3 dxc4 is my preference. Black is supposed to be okay according to theory, and it's going to be a fighting game where white isn't going to get his Botvinnik set-up, obviously. In fact, white will be forced to play energetically to maintain compensation for the pawn.

#3) This one can be the most effective by a mile against club-level English players that trot out 1. c4/2. g3, and that's 1...b6. 1. c4 b6 2. g3 Bb7 3. Nf3 Bxf3! 4. exf3 c5 is considered equal for black, and better yet winning chances are very good with inaccurate play by white. If he's prepared enough to play 2. Nc3, the upside is Botvinnik set-ups are considered tame, and he's going to need to play an entirely different type of game to try for an edge, and white can easily lose his way.

It's never a good idea to just walk into the one sort of position your opponent plays extremely well just for the sake of always playing your repertoire.
  

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Re: How to specially prepare against a 1.c4 player?
Reply #2 - 08/11/10 at 22:06:26
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Thank you, its certainly useful to know that this is called the Botvinnik system Tongue

Assuming I continue to play for a King's Indian, in the diagrams below, including the one in my previous post, is there any theoretical best ...c5 /...e5 or just preference? Which do you prefer?

Once again move orders are competely made up by me.

1. c4 Nf6 2. g3 g6 3. Bg2 Bg7 4. Nf3 O-O 5. O-O d6 6. Nc3 
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1. c4 Nf6 2. g3 g6 3. Bg2 Bg7 4. Nf3 O-O 5. O-O d6 6. d3 
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Re: How to specially prepare against a 1.c4 player?
Reply #1 - 08/11/10 at 14:54:06
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This is just White playing the very common Botvinnik System. It's been recommended in several repertoire books so as Black you should of course be prepared for it. It was a big part of Kosten's now 10 years old "The Dynamic English", though he only recommended it against black setups with ...e5, not those with ...c5.

If you want to play it with ...c5 as in your diagram a good book on the Symmetrical English is useful. Both Carsten Hansen and Cummmings attempted "complete" coverage though they're not exactly new. Palliser's more recent repertoire book "Beating Unusual Chess Openings" recommended 1.c4 c5 for Black and in fact wants to play the Botvinnik System from that side, but he should have something on what to do against it as well.

There has to be something on this on ChessPublishing too, of course.
  

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How to specially prepare against a 1.c4 player?
08/11/10 at 11:04:22
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I play the King's Indian and I don't mind playing into the Grünfeldt if white playes some timid setup. With these defences I am confident in meeting the English opening 9/10 times. However, I notice that one player that I might meet in an upcoming tournament playes a setup like this:

1. c4 Nf6 2. g3 g6 3. Bg2 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Ne2 O-O 6. O-O c5 7. Nbc3 Nc6 8. d3 a6 9. h3 Rb8 10. a4 Ne8 11. Be3 Nc7 12. d4

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From a similar position like this he competely outplayed a GM a few months ago despite being rated in the 2000's. 

Is there any theory on this sort of setup (not necessarily the exact setup)? And can I somehow prepare against him to avoid it? In fact, do you think I should be concerned about this at all or should I simply allow him to play this way?
  
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