Quote:Fair enough. In equal fairness though, I don't think I ever argued so much for Palliser's particular recommendations as I did for the soundness of the Symmetrical with the early ...Nc6. Whatever their objective merit, which I frankly do not know, I was using Palliser's lines as examples. 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 and now 4...Qb6 is one way for Black to play, and I don't concede it's worse for Black, but Black has other ways of playing.
I am grateful for your sharing your ideas, especially about which lines are critical.
Obviously it's sound in that it doesn't lose by force. Unless an opening produces +/- regardless of black's choices after choosing it, it's not unsound.
Our discussion centered on 4...Qb6 last time, and Palliser was invoked.
My original point in this discussion was to point out 3...e5 isn't that big of a deal, and that white has very real ways of striving for an edge. It should not discourage white from playing 3. Nc3 anymore than 3...g6, 3...Nd4, or 3...Nf6 does.
Matemax wrote on 12/20/10 at 14:14:56:
I am sure he has no (k)nightmares - he is just cool enought to write += even if there isn't one
I don't think he's force-fit so much as theory simply evolved in most of his recommendations - chess is in all likelihood a draw, so the search for += (white) or = (black) is still going on. Going through whatever is the most up-to-date volume:
Volume 1A) Anti-Grunfeld there's no += in his recommendation.
Volume 1B) Bayonet KID there's no += in his recommendation.
Volume 2) Hedgehog there's no += in his recommendation.
Volume 3) 1. Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. g3, 1. Nf3 g6 2. c4 Bg7 3. e4 e5 there's no += in his recommendation.
Volume 4) QGA, Slav, Anti-Moscow there's no += in his recommendation.
Volume 5) Tarrasch Defense, 5. Bg5 QGD there's no += in his recommendation.
I think he was force-fitting the 5. Bg5 QGD evaluation even back then, but yeah, theory has evolved in a lot of key lines. Of course, some of it still has relevance in a lot of sidelines.
I expect
a lot of changes in the 3A/3B/4/5 this go-around. I expect if he ever did a third edition there'd be changes
again, but obviously he never will so that task falls on someone else.
Every serious student can't rely solely on his recommendations. Aside from the laziness it implies, there's always subtleties to be found for both colors.