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Re: resources on reverse grand prix?
Reply #10 - 06/03/11 at 16:40:55
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I think the idea is to play Nc6 to prevent an early d4. But then what if White plays a quick Nf3? Not sure. Also, a nice line for black is

1 c4 e5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 g3 f5 4 Bg2 Nf6 5 e3?! d5! where we will play Nb4 intending to jump in d3. The computer gives something like -1.5 already to most positions arising after this.

Bear in mind that I am not a strong player, I'm just parroting what GM Tony Kosten advised against in his c4 book. Smiley I had this position quite a bit at the board and I like the attack. As a testimony of my lacking skills, I manage to lose from this position quite often Sad
  
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Re: resources on reverse grand prix?
Reply #9 - 06/03/11 at 15:20:59
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I have a similar question, but I'm not quite as picky about the move order details. Actually, I'm hoping someone can point me towards a good move order for what I have in mind, as well as references on the details of how to play it. 

Right now, I play the Classical Dutch against almost everything but 1. e4, but I play it the same way against 1. c4 as I do against 1. d4. In other words, I play e6 before f5, then play d6 to support an e5 pawn push. Usually, my opponents play d4 early, and we transpose to the main lines as if it started with 1. d4.

But with the English move order, it should be easier for me to play e5 and f5 early, without having to play e6 and d6 before e5. I'm just worried about playing 1. c4 f5, because 2. e4 leads to From's Gambit with colors reversed, and white gets an extra useful tempo for having his pawn on c4 already. So I was thinking of trying to get there via 1. c4 e5 and an early f5, but I really don't know anything about the English, so I'm afraid of walking into main line territory where my opponents will eat me alive with superior opening knowledge.

So does anyone have move order recommendations/warnings for playing f5 early after 1. c4 e5, and any book or online article recommendations for how to play those positions?

  

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Re: resources on reverse grand prix?
Reply #8 - 04/23/11 at 17:22:28
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Possibilities include books such as "The Gambit Guide to the English Opening 1...e5" (Carsten Hansen), "English ...e5:  The Reversed Sicilian Lines" (Alex Raetsky and Maxim Chetverik) and "Mastering the Chess Openings volume 3" (John Watson).
  
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Re: resources on reverse grand prix?
Reply #7 - 04/23/11 at 17:14:08
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in Dynamic English the line went

1 c4-e5
2 g3-Nc6
3 Bg2-f5
4 Nc3-Nf6
5 d3-Bb4, actually.

He obviously only looks at this line from White's point of view, which made me wonder where I'd see a few words on other white tries, such as an early Nf3, or so.
  
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Re: resources on reverse grand prix?
Reply #6 - 04/23/11 at 16:44:59
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I might have guessed that 1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nf3 f5 4. d4 should be slightly better for White, but I notice that ECO, NCO and MCO think it should be equal or unclear.  Such books prefer 5...Bb4 to Fischer's 5...Bc5.
  
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Re: resources on reverse grand prix?
Reply #5 - 04/23/11 at 16:25:12
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Here you'll find some analysis of that line:

http://chessstuff.blogspot.com/2005/03/karpov-fischer-hoax_111214833424492252.ht...

I think 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 f5 4.d4 good for White.
  

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Re: resources on reverse grand prix?
Reply #4 - 04/23/11 at 15:50:13
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I associate "reversed Grand Prix" mainly with a game Saidy-Fischer, but that was 1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 f5 4. Bg2 Nf6 5. d3 Bc5.
  
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Re: resources on reverse grand prix?
Reply #3 - 04/23/11 at 15:34:11
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Not sure if this is a viable line for Black. With this exact moveorder there seems to be only very little practical experience. 

Anyway I´m not aware of any resources recommending such an approach for Black.
  
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Re: resources on reverse grand prix?
Reply #2 - 04/23/11 at 14:32:10
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Thanks, that's what I was considering. I hope they have the book at the library Smiley

edit: oh, wait, I didn't see the exact move order, I wanted something with an early Bb4, and only then d6, e.g.

c4-e5
Nc3-Nc6
g3-f5
Bg2-Bb4
  
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Re: resources on reverse grand prix?
Reply #1 - 04/23/11 at 14:24:18
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If you consider 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 d6 3.g3/3.Nf3 f5 as a part of what you are looking for then the book "An explosive chess opening repertoire for Black" by Yrjölä & Tella contains some interesting material.
  
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resources on reverse grand prix?
04/23/11 at 14:07:26
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Hi, I think the reverse grand prix is a nice response to c4, and I'd like to read about it. I saw some lines in the Dynamic English, but of course that's written for white. Is there any book that I could check out? I will be visiting a big chess library next week so I will be able to skim through just about anything you recommend.
  
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