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In the line given in TalJechin's game after 9.Qc2, I rather doubt that White can speak of any advantage after any normal move, such as 9...Ndf6, 9...Qe8, or even 9...b6. In fact, Black seems to have a very nice Classical Dutch position, and although I don't play the Classical Dutch as Black I wouldn't mind being Black in this position at all. On a somewhat broader note, and relating to MNb's original suggestion of the Classical Dutch as a fighting defense to 1.d4, I have a few comments: First, I think it helps to have the option of using the 1.d4 e6 move order, so I would think that the Classical Dutch is a "better fit" for people who play the French Defense. Although the various anti-Dutch lines available after 1.d4 f5 may not threaten the viability of the Dutch Defense, they are somewhat annoying (especially the 2.Nc3, 2.Bg5 and 2.e4 lines) and substantially increase the theoretical work Black needs to do. (I sometimes play the Dutch Stonewall against 1.d4, and I always use the 1...e6 and 2...f5 move order.) Second, I play 1.d4 and I have been searching for some time and without much success for a good line against the Classical Dutch. I bought both Simon Williams' and Jan Pinski's books on the Classical solely for the purpose of finding a good line from the White side, but I haven't managed to come up with anything convincing. (Rowson-Williams from the British Championships briefly gave me some hope, but after a little analysis I concluded that Black was actually probably okay out of the opening.) One of the problems from the White perspective is that you often can get positions which are rather messy/unusual but (at least optically) seem somewhat better for White, which after analysis turn out to be just equals or unclear. As one example, in the main line after 7...a5 8.b3 Ne4 9.Bb2 Nxc3 10.Bxc3 Qe8, I have twice tried the 11.Qd3!? line given by Williams. After 11.Qd3!? Qh5 12.e4 f4 13.e5 d5 14.Bd2 g5 15.gxf4 gxf4, Williams concludes that White may have a small edge but practical examples are needed. (Play the Classical Dutch, pp.25-26.) In my first game (a correspondence game over the Net), I reached this position and was simply unable to come up with a constructive plan for White (despite almost 20 days spent thinking about this position!). The problem is that Black has many moves to improve his position (e.g., Bd7, Nc6, Kh8, a5-a4, or Rf8-f7 and Ra8-g8), whereas White seems to have a good position but has difficulty coming up with a plan to improve it. I am not sure what White's plan is here at all. I ended up playing some natural but perhaps second best moves, i.e. Kg1-h1, Rf1-g1, Nf3-e1, Qf3, and Ne1-d3, but in the meantime Black had completed his development and opened the a-file and was, in my opinion, at least = and possibly better. I offered a draw and was quite relieved when my opponent accepted. In my second game (a 3 0 game against Simon Williams himself) the first 15 moves also followed the line given in Williams' book, but I tried a more violent plan involving Rae1 followed by cxd5, and after exd5 I tried e5-e6!?. (This was my new idea after analyzing my drawn correspondence game.) Unfortunately, the Pe6 turned out to be somewhat weak, and Williams' chances on the kingside appeared to be at least as good as mine. Analyzing this game later, I am not convinced I had any advantage out of the opening, and may have in fact been slightly worse after my e5-e6 move. I have tried other lines as well (some of the lines with an early b2-b4 before or immediately after castling, for example) without finding anything convincing. So, although I do not really trust the Classical Dutch myself, I haven't had a great deal of luck trying to get an advantage against it either. So, albeit reluctantly, I have to agree with MNb's suggestion that the Classical Dutch is a good choice as a fighting defense to 1.d4. ??? -Geof
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