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Poll Question: What do you think about the Smith Morra Gambit
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Fun to play but unsound    
  38 (22.1%)
A line that is for a reawakining    
  8 (4.7%)
Bad for white     
  21 (12.2%)
ok for white    
  55 (32.0%)
good for white    
  10 (5.8%)
Ive never seen a smith-morra    
  5 (2.9%)
all right if you know what your doing    
  35 (20.3%)




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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #16 - 10/12/05 at 15:25:04
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Ive been playing the morra for quite sometime and i agree with the lines that you guys have been talking about besides, the dragon formations, once youve taken the pawns, those are just horrible!! lol take a look at this

[Event "ICC 5 0"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2005.09.26"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Kamikaze-Squad"]
[Black "LarryC"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ICCResult "Black resigns"]
[WhiteElo "2366"]
[BlackElo "2495"]
[Opening "Sicilian: Smith-Morra gambit"]
[ECO "B21"]
[NIC "SI.48"]
[Time "09:25:56"]
[TimeControl "300+0"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 g6 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Bc4 dxc3 6. Nxc3 d6 7. h4 Nc6 8.
h5 Be6 9. Bxe6 fxe6 10. hxg6 hxg6 11. Rxh8 Bxh8 12. Ng5 Qd7 13. Qb3 Nd4 14.
Qd1 Nh6 15. Be3 e5 16. Rc1 Rc8 17. Bxd4 exd4 18. Nd5 Rc6 19. b4 Nf7 20. b5
Nxg5 21. bxc6 bxc6 22. Qa4 c5 23. Qc2 e6 24. Nf4 Qh7 25. Rb1 Qh4 26. Rb8+
Kf7 27. Rb7+ Kf6 28. e5+ {Black resigns} 1-0

That is Larry Christiansen by the way!. 

What i would like to suggest to most of you Morra fans is to enter the critical lines to the Shredder search engine, it has a greater appreciation of these types of positions. I think that the time will pay off, im getting a better computer soon so ill post any new findings. 

For those of you who know after: e4 c5 d4 cd c3 dc Nc3 d6 Nf3 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Bg5 Nf6 Bf6 gf6 Nh4! what do you guys have to say about this position!!.

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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #15 - 07/06/05 at 09:51:08
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Almost all books/articles on the S-M Gambit are rather one-sided and tend to underestimate the chances of the other side. So I assume - note the title! - that Taylor's book/article suffers from the same disease.
Again and again I must state that 6...a6 is as good as most other defenses, but not a clear cut refutation. A thorough Black preparation certainly will pay-off, but stating that 6...at is an easy way is a sign of underestimation. This is exactly what White hopes for.
  

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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #14 - 07/06/05 at 08:08:32
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I've read over the last days "how to defeat the S-M" from T.Taylor and I have to say that 6....a6! seems an easy way to solve the opening problems from black point of view. That's why I think it's an unsound gambit but it offers a fun play against an unprepared player.

 

  

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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #13 - 06/30/05 at 20:13:30
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Well, 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 Nf6 4.e5 Nd5 is exactly the same as 1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.d4 cxd4. In the time I used to play the Smith-Morra, 5.Nf3 was considered best.
But when you compare 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.cxd4 with 1.e4 c5 2.c3 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 the first is inferior for Black compared to the latter.
On the second question I can only answer yes. After Qxd5 5.cxd4 Nf6 6.Nf3 e6 7.Nc3 Qd8 White's best for instance is 8.Bc4 transposing to the Steinitz Variation of the Queen's Gambit Accepted.
Another transposition is 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 g6 4.cxd5 d5 5.exd5 (5.e5 is not appealing) which can become the Panov Variation of the Caro-Kann with g6.
So if White wants to avoid theory the S-M Gambit might not be the right choice!
  

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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #12 - 06/30/05 at 09:17:12
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One of the main problem with the Morra (that i wish i loved to play), is that Black almost declines it with : 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 ... A) 3....Nf6 ; B) 3.... d5 or C) 3.... g6 at my level of play (FIDE 2075)
The main explanation is that black has to learn something against the Alapin 1.e4 c5 2.c3 ... so he'd rather simplify his homework with a setup good against the Alapin and the Morra !
This is why i play now : 1.e4 c5 2.a3 !? very funny, very effective (well, for the moment, of course ...) and less well known than the Alapin, Morra, 2.f4 and so ...   Wink
Does the Morra addicts find a good way to play against the Allapin ? The Black theory is very  expanded, don't you think so ?
  
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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #11 - 06/03/05 at 05:36:18
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I will not deny, that this setup is playable - it is as good as many other defences. But Lubo's opponents probably did not play the plan with Rf1-d1-d2 and Ra1-d1 (with Bf4 in between).
  

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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #10 - 06/03/05 at 01:08:26
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Basqueknight, I would anybody who considers adding the SM to his repertoire, strongly advise against it.
I was doing hard when facing the SM, because I did not know theory. Then in my club I was shown how to treat it: a Nc6 + e6 + a6 + d6 + Be7 + Bd7 + Nf6 + 0-0, with some simple rules like -Nf6 as late as possible- etc. and since then I had 16 wins against the SM and only 2 losses!
You take the pawn, defend correct and enter a won endgame, thats generally the basic strategy.
Hands off the SM!
  
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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #9 - 05/30/05 at 03:22:54
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Yes, the Finegold is no easy defense to play, as black has to be aware of many tactical subtleties to defend correctly.  In fact, I have never tested it in an OTB game, simply due to the fact that it requires a lot of memory work for one sideline.  The first defense I listed is much easier to play, and is usually more than sufficient to get the edge needed to play for a win.
  

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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #8 - 05/29/05 at 15:47:16
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Sorry for the confusion, caused by bad reading. I thought you meant 
1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 e6 7.0-0 a6 8.Qe2 and now Be7 is more precise than Nf6 because of 9.Rd1 Qc7 10.Bg5.
The 6...a6 variation is one of many decent Black defences, not worse or better than others.

Against the Finegold White should continue with the usual 9.Rd1. What I remember, is that analysts as so often neglected White's best possibilities. If Black delays Nc6, White has three options: an early e5, the standard setup with Bf4 and Rac1 or doubling rooks on the d-file. Which one to chose depends on Black's reaction.
Now I am not going to claim, that the Finegold can be refuted; again it is just one of the many, many decent replies to the Morra. All of them together made me giving it up. I did not want to give my opponents the pleasure of having a wide choice. White at the other hand White usually has just one good continuation. So it is easy for Black to outprepare White.
The last years I played the Morra I felt like fighting the Hydra: as soon as I had found a satisfactory attacking line against one defence, two other problems showed up.
I am sorry not giving concrete lines against the Finegold, as I think it is a waste of time. Why should I defend White's case, if I do not believe in it? Just one warning: beware of White's tactical surprises. If you do, the Finegold is OK for Black, but not an straightforward refutation.
  

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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #7 - 05/27/05 at 09:17:02
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I don't understand (1).  I have 6...Be7 in the move order.  Maybe you think I meant 6...Nf6?

Also what do you think is white's best try against the Finegold?  The main line seems more difficult for white than most Smith-Morra lines.

  

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Reply #6 - 05/27/05 at 05:50:08
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1) 7...Be7 is more precise than 7...Nf6 as it exactly avoids 8.Bg5.
2) The Finegold is a good defence, but by no means a clearer way to a Black advantage than other lines.
The problem with about all books on the Morra Gambit is, that they are biased and neglect good ideas for the virtual opponent.
3) Michael Jensen has written a few internet articles on the Nge7 setup. Maybe DragonSlayer can give the correct link, as I have lost it.
4) The Dragon 4...g6 is not as bad as most theory books say.
  

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Reply #5 - 05/26/05 at 23:33:29
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I noticed after i posted it sorry
  
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Reply #4 - 05/26/05 at 21:52:41
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By the way, this thread really ought to be in the Anti-Sicilians section.
  

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Reply #3 - 05/26/05 at 21:48:02
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In the hands of a strong tactical player, I think this line is very dangerous up to 2100 level.  But to play it well at the upper end of this range, you really need to know what the critical lines and how to be tricky.

There are two lines that I have studied that I think cause white a number of problems:

1)  First, there is the line recommend by Gallagher in Beating the Anti-Sicilians:   

1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 a6 7.0-0 Nf6 

I think if you play the Smith-Morra, you will have a lot people play this against you, partly since it is recommended in a well-known book.  Also, this system is fairly simple to play for black, once you have learned the reasons for this exact move order.  Black has to be aware of a few tricks, but many of the moves are very natural and usually not too difficult to find, even in a speed game.  I think white has a couple of tricks that Gallagher does not mention, but I am not aware of a way for white to get full compensation.  If you're white, you should probably consider 7.Bg5 and 7.b4!?.  7.b4!? is not mentioned by Gallagher and is a little tricky.  This would be very likely to catch someone off guard as a surprise weapon.  In two games I have played against experts (rated about 2100 USCF), they both preferred 7.Bg5.  Gallagher recommends 7.Bg5 e6 for black, and if black plays 7...Bg4, white can play 8.Qb3!, winning back the pawn.

2)  You probably won't have too many people play this against you, but there is a line named after Ben Finegold, called  the "Finegold Defense" by Bob Ciaffone, the writer of a self-published book entitled Smith- Morra Gambit Finegold Defense.  It goes:

1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 d6 5.Nf3 e6 6.Bc4 Be7 7.0-0 Nf6 8.Qe2 a6

Black has to be very accurate in his move orders, but when he gets it right, white just looks dead worse.  Once again, it is probably unlikely to run into someone who plays this, but if someone is very determined to refute the Smith-Morra, you've got to watch out for this possibility.  The book is self-published and unusually written.  It is neither written in a tree or illustrated games format.  The author simply discussess analysis of the primary lines, with a given starting position in the first several chapter.  It isn't until page 76 that the author thoroughly explains the reasons for the move orders chosen in the first several moves.  I think this book would be very difficult to understand if you didn't have a good command of English, as the text is very wordy.  Pretty much, you have to read the whole book (it is only 140 pages though with fairly big print and several diagrams) to understand what is going on, but the author has put a lot of effort in the explanations.
  

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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #2 - 05/26/05 at 06:53:13
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White's play in the Morra Gambit is very stereotypical and predictable. So it is easy for Black to prepare. Maybe White can prove just enough compensation, but from a practical point of view I can not recommend it - except for youngsters as mentioned by Paddy.
But alas I cannot agree with him on the other point. The Morra Gambit only works against unprepared opponents; as soon as Black has prepared 3...Nf6 or 3...d5 3...d3 or even 3...g6 White should rather exactly know what to do. I say this after about 10 years experience.
  

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