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Question: Who else thinks that mouse slip variation is appropriate?

Yes, "mouse slip variation"!

11 (42.3%)

No, a serious name (e.g. Hobbs gambit in the GPA)

5 (19.2%)

I don't care.

4 (15.4%)

I can think of an even funnier name.

5 (19.2%)

Master *** names it as the ***, stick to that.

1 (3.8%)

Total votes: 26

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IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? (Read 29551 times)

ErictheRed God Member Offline USCF National Master Posts: 2534 Location: USA Joined: 10/02/05	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #40 - 02/10/08 at 18:32:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	Gambit wrote on 02/08/08 at 03:16:43: In any event, I would prefer more analyses and less joking in this thread. Well, in that case, you'd better get to work! I think we're all waiting for you to "refute" 5.Qh5 and my personal favorite 5.g6!? fg 6.Qg4, both of which look close to winning for White. So...when do you think we can see that analysis??


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DoubledPawns Senior Member Offline 1.a3 e5 2.Nc3 Ba3 3.Ne4 Bf8 4.Ra5 Ke7 5.Re5# Posts: 283 Joined: 02/01/08	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #39 - 02/10/08 at 03:43:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	MUBAs Opponent wrote on 02/10/08 at 02:38:53: DoubledPawns wrote on 02/09/08 at 03:56:45: One word of advice for people who love inventing gambits: sacrifices of the b-pawn are usually more successful than sacrifices of the g-pawn. It's funny you should say that, because only today I was on the receiving end of a newly invented b-pawn gambit: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 b5!! Unfortunately I forgot to record the rest of the game..... Speaking of b-pawn gambits, 1.Nc3 e5 2.d4 ed4 3.Qd4 b5 (3...Ke7 4.Qe5 mate is also plausible) 4.Qe4 wins the rook on a8

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MUBAs Opponent Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 70 Joined: 02/06/07	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #38 - 02/10/08 at 02:38:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	DoubledPawns wrote on 02/09/08 at 03:56:45: One word of advice for people who love inventing gambits: sacrifices of the b-pawn are usually more successful than sacrifices of the g-pawn. It's funny you should say that, because only today I was on the receiving end of a newly invented b-pawn gambit: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 b5!! Unfortunately I forgot to record the rest of the game.....


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DoubledPawns Senior Member Offline 1.a3 e5 2.Nc3 Ba3 3.Ne4 Bf8 4.Ra5 Ke7 5.Re5# Posts: 283 Joined: 02/01/08	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #37 - 02/10/08 at 00:53:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	X wrote on 02/10/08 at 00:10:06: The Shirov g-pawn gambits in the Semi-Slav and Philidor beat those any day. Random g-pawn gambit moves rule! There have been quite a few chapters/articles in books about the move g4. Three examples are one of the chapters in Eingorn's Creative Opening Preparation, a section of Watson's strategy books (can't remember exactly), and even a brief survey on the move g4 by Genna Sosonko in the Yearbook. I was mainly referring to gambits as Black - there are very few successful g-pawn sacrifices in this case. However, I would agree that as White g4 is usually more useful than b4 (excluding flank openings).

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X God Member Offline Education is a system of imposed ignorance.Chomsky Posts: 571 Joined: 10/04/03	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #36 - 02/10/08 at 00:10:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	The Shirov g-pawn gambits in the Semi-Slav and Philidor beat those any day. Random g-pawn gambit moves rule!

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alumbrado God Member Offline Esse quam videri bonus malebo Posts: 1418 Location: London Joined: 02/17/03 Gender:	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #35 - 02/09/08 at 09:28:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	DoubledPawns wrote on 02/09/08 at 03:56:45: One word of advice for people who love inventing gambits: sacrifices of the b-pawn are usually more successful than sacrifices of the g-pawn. Take the Benko Gambit, for example. Or the Evans, of course!

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DoubledPawns Senior Member Offline 1.a3 e5 2.Nc3 Ba3 3.Ne4 Bf8 4.Ra5 Ke7 5.Re5# Posts: 283 Joined: 02/01/08	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #34 - 02/09/08 at 03:56:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	mefisto6 wrote on 02/08/08 at 15:43:48: Gambit wrote on 02/08/08 at 03:16:43: In any event, I would prefer more analyses and less joking in this thread. Gambit, there is not much to analyse, 4. fg h6 5. Qh5 +- 4. .. Bg7 is too slow, black has no compensation for the pawn after 5. Nf3 or Bc4. Nevertheless, a pawn deficit and a strategic lost position do not mean much in a blitz game. This opening can be effective to humiliate your opponent, saying "You're such a lousy player! I can play this utter crap opening and still win!". But for that, you need to win first, which will not be easy. In case you were wondering, you can win against strong players in bullet playing just about any opening (including this one), as long as you play much faster than the opponent and make it impossible for the opponent to predict your moves (without blundering, if possible). For example, if you play 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.e4, there is a 50% chance that in a bullet game the opponent will not play 2...Ne4. But that is not what makes an opening good, of course. One word of advice for people who love inventing gambits: sacrifices of the b-pawn are usually more successful than sacrifices of the g-pawn. Take the Benko Gambit, for example.

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Bibs YaBB Moderator Offline Posts: 2342 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #33 - 02/09/08 at 00:21:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	Ideas. But no good ideas, alas. As such not worthy contributions. Am not on ICC, only play blitz on playchess. Rarely. I dont take too seriously mind you, but I am 'hajime' on that, so any time is fine. Happy to play anyone. Regarding playing style, I am perhaps quite flexible. I play very rarely, so when I do am inevitably rusty, but the game Papatryfonos- Bibby from Calvia 2004 (look on any dbase) illustrates effective gambit play, which appears to fascinate you. Unprepared naturally as out of theory at move 2-3, but applied ideas from Catalan. OTB, I doubt we would find ourselves in the same tournament for geography and rating reasons. But, with respect, playing you holds little interest as you, and there is no easy way to say this, appear rather weak.
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Gambit God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 1397 Location: Newark Joined: 07/26/05 Gender:	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #32 - 02/08/08 at 18:21:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	Bibs does not know what he f****** talks about. I have contributed more ideas to chess than he did! Perhaps the difference lies in playing style? I am an unorthox chess player, while you appear to prefer more orthodox lines? How about we play some games, Bibs? Slow time control, on the Internet Chess Club? Say, Game/120 ? Do you accept the challenge?


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mefisto6 Junior Member Offline Pacman is a hedgehog! Posts: 52 Joined: 10/09/07 Gender:	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #31 - 02/08/08 at 15:43:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	Gambit wrote on 02/08/08 at 03:16:43: In any event, I would prefer more analyses and less joking in this thread. Gambit, there is not much to analyse, 4. fg h6 5. Qh5 +- 4. .. Bg7 is too slow, black has no compensation for the pawn after 5. Nf3 or Bc4. Nevertheless, a pawn deficit and a strategic lost position do not mean much in a blitz game. This opening can be effective to humiliate your opponent, saying "You're such a lousy player! I can play this utter crap opening and still win!". But for that, you need to win first, which will not be easy.


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Uberdecker God Member Offline Posts: 641 Joined: 03/21/06	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #30 - 02/08/08 at 11:49:42	Post Tools	Print Post
	Bibs, why always such a kill-joy ? How about the Silver Minty Lion ?


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Bibs YaBB Moderator Offline Posts: 2342 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #29 - 02/08/08 at 11:37:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	Everything and anything from Lev thus far could simply be called 'Utter bo*****s'. The 'ideas' are about as constructive as a football player looking for ever new and creative ways to put the ball in his own net. Can moderators operate on the level of 'quality control' please?


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Uberdecker God Member Offline Posts: 641 Joined: 03/21/06	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #28 - 02/08/08 at 11:11:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	The "Perverted Hobbes-Leviathan Gambit" or the "Inverted Calvin & Hobbes Variation" ? The "Silver Mints In a Stormy Tea-Cup Defence" ? "The Feudal Way" ? "The Canon Fodder Tactic" ? Etc etc etc You have to come up with more g-pawn pushes so we can use all these names, Lev. Get to work! And don't bother analysing past the fifth move, we need quantity...


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Gambit God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 1397 Location: Newark Joined: 07/26/05 Gender:	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #27 - 02/08/08 at 04:48:55	Post Tools	Print Post
	Of all this stupid bunch, the Reverse Wing Gambit sounds best.


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DoubledPawns Senior Member Offline 1.a3 e5 2.Nc3 Ba3 3.Ne4 Bf8 4.Ra5 Ke7 5.Re5# Posts: 283 Joined: 02/01/08	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #26 - 02/08/08 at 04:36:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	Gambit wrote on 02/08/08 at 03:16:43: mefisto6 wrote on 02/07/08 at 12:38:49: Gambit wrote on 02/04/08 at 06:52:13: Mouse Slip Variation is a stupid name. No chess opening I know has been named for making a... faulty computer move! There is a better name for it: "Best Zilbermints Gambit" (BZG for the experts). "Best" because you are only giving away one pawn. Don't be ridiculous! I never name my openings "Best....." In any event, I would prefer more analyses and less joking in this thread. After some more serious names? Then I can offer plenty of suggestions for the move 3...g5!!, which seems to win by force: The Pawn Blunder Variation The Reverted Wing Gambit The Accelerated Mouseslip The Suicidal Variation "The Donation" Kingside Self-Demolition Variation And finally, the most serious name of all: The "Dig Your Own Grave" Variation Any other naming suggestions?

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