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Re: Books for a ~2100 Rated @ Playchess?
Reply #15 - 04/26/10 at 17:39:56
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I'm lower rated, but I do have one comment. You site blitz and bullet ratings online, and state that you don't play in many tournaments. I'd say that playing SLOW games regularly is one of the keys to improvement.
  

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Re: Books for a ~2100 Rated @ Playchess?
Reply #14 - 04/26/10 at 01:38:07
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Kotov's method is prestented as a training tool, but  there is an assumption that as you train yourself to list the candidate moves, go through the tree of analysis faster and more accurately and never move away from a line without evaluating it, you will naturally take up the same habits at the board.

The main criticisms of Kotov have been of his "Tree of analysis" and his insistence on calcuating each branch only once. For example Tisdall wrote that nobody thinks like a tree, and he recommends just following the line your intuition points to as far as you can (not breaking up the flow by stopping and considering candidate moves on each move), and only then going back to look at alternatives.* While Krasenkow and others have pointed out that sometimes you have to go back to a previously discarded line - if you have seen a new idea that could make it work after all.

These are valid corrections, but Kotov's method can still help with the problems it was meant to cure: Going back and forth bewteen lines without reaching any conclusions, bad visualization of lines, and resulting time trouble. These problems plague so many amateurs, and Kotov himself went from first category to world class by getting rid of them. It's not like he's just throwing out some hypothetical method he thought up, he used it for years himself.

Again, probably noone thinks like that at the board most of the time, but it's an ideal to be aware of, and a good training method. In games I use it most consciously when I think I'm about to clinch the win - to avoid getting too excited and make sure I'm looking at all possible defences and counterattacks.

* But Tisdall admits in his book that from a young age he always had excellent visualization, so he should have acknowledged that he and Kotov are really trying to solve different problems.
  

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Reply #13 - 04/25/10 at 19:58:03
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It's a little about learning laws. If you write down everything you thought after a fixed time (aka the tree) and compare it to the solution or analysis in the book you get a better feedback and memory.

So it's a good but awful training method.

Today there are programs with good gui's. So you will learn faster with Aquarium or Fritz.
  

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Re: Books for a ~2100 Rated @ Playchess?
Reply #12 - 04/25/10 at 19:50:00
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Stigma wrote on 04/24/10 at 21:26:58:
chezzter wrote on 04/24/10 at 19:20:16:

... Feel free to list the books for endgame and calculation though.

... I also like Kotov's original Think Like a Grandmaster; many say his method just doesn't work (because noone actually thinks that systematically), but I still find it useful as a theoretical ideal to keep in mind. ...

I have lost my copy of Kotov. But someone else said Kotov has been badly misinterpreted over these decades.

Some say Kotov was describing an at-home TRAINING method. Kotov wants the student to literally write down on paper the entire tree of candidate moves through each variation.

Kotov's calculation advice is commonly criticized for being hyper-unrealistic during live games. But IF Kotov meant to describe only a training method, the common criticism would be inadmissable.


Regardless of what Kotov intended, would the training interpretation of Kotov's technique constitute good training advice, or would it be relatively inefficient?
  

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Re: Books for a ~2100 Rated @ Playchess?
Reply #11 - 04/25/10 at 16:55:58
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chezzter wrote on 04/25/10 at 05:19:43:

I've added all of your recommended books to my collections. I'll get them when I find them at nearby store, or from the library just across the street.


A local library that has good, recent chess books? I wish I had that... Btw. there's work for a lot more than 2 months in the books I've mentioned; more like 2 years.

chezzter wrote on 04/25/10 at 05:19:43:
You've made an interesting observation about tactics. Doing the same problems repeatedly until I get full correct the next time around and that the pattern will be fully imprinted in my mind. 

Should I do 25 tactics per day or.. is it better to fix time for the single tactics session, and force myself to try to solve as any number of problems as I can within the stipulated time?

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Maybe it's better to just set a time limit for the whole session, since then you know when you'll be finished and can maintain maximal focus during that time. 

Another issue is setting a time limit for each problem. When you're working on easy to moderately diffcult tactics you just want to learn or repeat the patterns, and then it doesn't make sense if you get stuck to use more than 5 minutes before looking up the solution and trying to understand it. Learning is more important than self-testing.

With hard tactical problems you are really training calculation, not just pattern recognition. For calculation (and strategy) excercises some people recommend a 20 minutes limit (Khelmnitsky in Chess Exam and Rowson in Chess for Zebras), while another method is to find the best solution you possibly can and write down all lines and evaluations, regardless of how long it takes; the so-called "Stoyko exercise". Personally I prefer to use a time limit (even if a long one) since it forces me to think more clearly and efficiently, and resembles a game situation. 

There's no standard answer to where to set the limit (in terms of difficulty) between pattern training and calculation training. Both should be part of a good training program. For example in the tactics program CT-Art which I use a lot, I (at ~2200 FIDE) think of levels 10-40 as pattern training and levels 50-90 as calculation training, while for a world-class player probably the entire program would be well-known patterns! But it's very easy in practice to think of a mistake as a calculation error or simply a blunder, when in fact maybe you just didn't know that particular pattern well enough.
  

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Re: Books for a ~2100 Rated @ Playchess?
Reply #10 - 04/25/10 at 05:19:43
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Stigma wrote on 04/24/10 at 21:26:58:
chezzter wrote on 04/24/10 at 19:20:16:

I don't think I have read that many books in chess. I have only read very little. I have read part of Dvoretsky's Strategic Play, Understanding chess:Move by move, Battle Royale NY1924, Seirewan winning chess strategy, Silman's Reassess chess workbook, Attacking Play and few opening books... 

Feel free to list the books for endgame and calculation though. I'd like to hear about them.  


That's not a bad choice of books you've read. There are of course many ways to get to Carnegie Hall here (though "practice, practice!" has to be part of it!).

I still think books by Aagaard and Dvoretsky (I see you've already started on him) are a logical next step.

On endgames I'm a fan of Soltis' books GM Secrets: Endings and Turning Advantage Into Victory in Chess. Speelman's Endgame Preparation is also a nice overview. But be aware that I really lack talent for endgames, so you might find those books too easy! 

More standard recommendations above 2000 would be Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual, LB Hansen: Secrets of Chess Endgame Strategy, Shereshevsky: Endgame Strategy, and Van Perlo's Endgame Tactics (again many more could be mentioned).

On calculation Dvoretsky has a couple of books (Tactical Play and Secrets of Creative Thinking), but they are very difficult. More accessible are Aagaard: Excelling at Chess Calculation and Tisdall: Improve Your Chess Now. I also like Kotov's original Think Like a Grandmaster; many say his method just doesn't work (because noone actually thinks that systematically), but I still find it useful as a theoretical ideal to keep in mind.

Another topic not covered by my list was defence. There are popular books on that by Marin, Polugaevsky, Soltis and Aagaard, but I can't recommend one as I haven't read any of them (I should have...).

I'll see if i can dig up some old threads to link to later.



I've added all of your recommended books to my collections. I'll get them when I find them at nearby store, or from the library just across the street. 

You've made an interesting observation about tactics. Doing the same problems repeatedly until I get full correct the next time around and that the pattern will be fully imprinted in my mind. 

Should I do 25 tactics per day or.. is it better to fix time for the single tactics session, and force myself to try to solve as any number of problems as I can within the stipulated time?

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Re: Books for a ~2100 Rated @ Playchess?
Reply #9 - 04/24/10 at 21:26:58
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chezzter wrote on 04/24/10 at 19:20:16:

I don't think I have read that many books in chess. I have only read very little. I have read part of Dvoretsky's Strategic Play, Understanding chess:Move by move, Battle Royale NY1924, Seirewan winning chess strategy, Silman's Reassess chess workbook, Attacking Play and few opening books... 

Feel free to list the books for endgame and calculation though. I'd like to hear about them.  


That's not a bad choice of books you've read. There are of course many ways to get to Carnegie Hall here (though "practice, practice!" has to be part of it!).

I still think books by Aagaard and Dvoretsky (I see you've already started on him) are a logical next step.

On endgames I'm a fan of Soltis' books GM Secrets: Endings and Turning Advantage Into Victory in Chess. Speelman's Endgame Preparation is also a nice overview. But be aware that I really lack talent for endgames, so you might find those books too easy! 

More standard recommendations above 2000 would be Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual, LB Hansen: Secrets of Chess Endgame Strategy, Shereshevsky: Endgame Strategy, and Van Perlo's Endgame Tactics (again many more could be mentioned).

On calculation Dvoretsky has a couple of books (Tactical Play and Secrets of Creative Thinking), but they are very difficult. More accessible are Aagaard: Excelling at Chess Calculation and Tisdall: Improve Your Chess Now. I also like Kotov's original Think Like a Grandmaster; many say his method just doesn't work (because noone actually thinks that systematically), but I still find it useful as a theoretical ideal to keep in mind.

Another topic not covered by my list was defence. There are popular books on that by Marin, Polugaevsky, Soltis and Aagaard, but I can't recommend one as I haven't read any of them (I should have...).

I'll see if i can dig up some old threads to link to later.
  

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Re: Books for a ~2100 Rated @ Playchess?
Reply #8 - 04/24/10 at 20:12:41
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chezzter wrote on 04/24/10 at 15:52:52:
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If you could suggest 3 books on Tactics. It would be really helpful!

"John Nunn's Chess Puzzle Book" is aimed at players of Elo >=2000. In fact, him calling it a puzzle book is not entirely accurate.

Most or all of the puzzles are taken from real games. And this is not a mate-in-two or helpmate puzzle book like Nunn's "Solving in Style".

Nunn's book is laid out exceptionally well (diagrams repeated on the annotated answers page).
  

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Re: Books for a ~2100 Rated @ Playchess?
Reply #7 - 04/24/10 at 19:49:12
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chezzter wrote on 04/24/10 at 19:20:16:
I have no idea about my strength and weaknesses. If I had to guess, I'm quite better at strategy than I'm at tactics. Are there any sites or books that could evaluate my current knowledge in specific themes? 


"Chess exam" by Igor Khmelnitsky is a wonderful book that help you find your strengths and weaknesses and how you should improve. 

For tactics, I really liked "Forcing chess moves" by Hertan. The Chesstempo site is a very nice online training resource: http://chesstempo.com/
  
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Reply #6 - 04/24/10 at 19:20:16
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Stigma wrote on 04/24/10 at 18:07:23:
kylemeister wrote on 04/24/10 at 17:41:30:
It's rather odd, the degree to which such questions are posed and answered "in a vacuum" on this forum.  For example, two books I'd be inclined to recommend are Ivan Sokolov's "Winning Chess Middlegames" and Vlastimil Jansa's "Dynamics of Chess Strategy," but what kind of openings you play might have a strong bearing on how interesting they would be for you. 


...not to mention, what are your strengths and weaknesses, and which books have you already studied?

There are countless threads with this kind of question already, but if you want generic suggestions for about 2000-2100 FIDE I will mention:

Strategy/Middlegame:
Dvoretsky/Yusupov: Secrets of Chess Training (Olms)
Kotov: Play like a Grandmaster
Aagaard: Attacking Manual 1+2
Dvoretsky/Yusupov: (Secrets of) Positional Play

(I assumed that you've already read a good positional primer like Silman: Reassess Your Chess, or Euwe's Middlegame series, or Davies' Power Chess Program, or Pachman, Carsten Hansen, Marovic etc. (any one of these is really enough) and probably also Nimzowitsch' My System and Vukovic: Art of Attack in Chess or something equivalent)

Tactics:
Killer Moves (Chessbase)
CT-Art 3.0 or 4.0 (Convekta)
Hertan: Forcing Chess Moves
Aagaard: Excelling at Combinational Play

(two computer products, because I believe this is clearly the most efficient way to develop strong tactical pattern recognition nowadays. Repetition is key here, though the infamous "7 circles" are an overkill)

I didn't include any endgame or calculation books since you didn't mention those areas.



Hi, 

Thanks for your help. I have no idea about my strength and weaknesses. If I had to guess, I'm quite better at strategy than I'm at tactics. Are there any sites or books that could evaluate my current knowledge in specific themes? 

I don't think I have read that many books in chess. I have only read very little. I have read part of Dvoretsky's Strategic Play, Understanding chess:Move by move, Battle Royale NY1924, Seirewan winning chess strategy, Silman's Reassess chess workbook, Attacking Play and few opening books... 

Feel free to list the books for endgame and calculation though. I'd like to hear about them.   

Sorry if I've posted the exact question that was asked before. I'm a complete newbie and dunno how to use forum search, Could you or anyone else be kind enough to give me few links to similar threads? 

Thanks!   

  
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Reply #5 - 04/24/10 at 18:07:23
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kylemeister wrote on 04/24/10 at 17:41:30:
It's rather odd, the degree to which such questions are posed and answered "in a vacuum" on this forum.  For example, two books I'd be inclined to recommend are Ivan Sokolov's "Winning Chess Middlegames" and Vlastimil Jansa's "Dynamics of Chess Strategy," but what kind of openings you play might have a strong bearing on how interesting they would be for you. 


...not to mention, what are your strengths and weaknesses, and which books have you already studied?

There are countless threads with this kind of question already, but if you want generic suggestions for about 2000-2100 FIDE I will mention:

Strategy/Middlegame:
Dvoretsky/Yusupov: Secrets of Chess Training (Olms)
Kotov: Play like a Grandmaster
Aagaard: Attacking Manual 1+2
Dvoretsky/Yusupov: (Secrets of) Positional Play

(I assumed that you've already read a good positional primer like Silman: Reassess Your Chess, or Euwe's Middlegame series, or Davies' Power Chess Program, or Pachman, Carsten Hansen, Marovic etc. (any one of these is really enough) and probably also Nimzowitsch' My System and Vukovic: Art of Attack in Chess or something equivalent)

Tactics:
Killer Moves (Chessbase)
CT-Art 3.0 or 4.0 (Convekta)
Hertan: Forcing Chess Moves
Aagaard: Excelling at Combinational Play

(two computer products, because I believe this is clearly the most efficient way to develop strong tactical pattern recognition nowadays. Repetition is key here, though the infamous "7 circles" are an overkill)

I didn't include any endgame or calculation books since you didn't mention those areas.
  

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Reply #4 - 04/24/10 at 17:46:00
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kylemeister wrote on 04/24/10 at 17:41:30:
It's rather odd, the degree to which such questions are posed and answered "in a vacuum" on this forum.  For example, two books I'd be inclined to recommend are Ivan Sokolov's "Winning Chess Middlegames" and Vlastimil Jansa's "Dynamics of Chess Strategy," but what kind of openings you play might have a strong bearing on how interesting they would be for you. 


Thanks for your response, really appreciate it. 

I think I used to play Kings Indian/Nimzo Indian against d4 and Sicilian Scheveningen/Accelerated Dragon against e4. 

As white, I have tried several openings. Let's just say that I play Colle system, Catalan or English the most. 

  
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It's rather odd, the degree to which such questions are posed and answered "in a vacuum" on this forum.  For example, two books I'd be inclined to recommend are Ivan Sokolov's "Winning Chess Middlegames" and Vlastimil Jansa's "Dynamics of Chess Strategy," but what kind of openings you play might have a strong bearing on how interesting they would be for you.
  
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Reply #2 - 04/24/10 at 16:29:23
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Ender wrote on 04/24/10 at 16:26:39:
Tell us something about Your REAL rating because internet rating is irrelevant.


2011 Fide but then I haven't played much tournaments recently. Taken a long break from chess. Last Tournament I played was around July 2007. 

Thanks for asking though. 

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Tell us something about Your REAL rating because internet rating is irrelevant.
  

2200. Amateur!
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