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Reply #20 - 01/02/11 at 21:44:11
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'Openings for the tactically challenged'

If you want a quick fix, play the French (Rubinstein) and QGD as Black and some solid system as White (e.g. Torre). 

If you want a long term solution, start wheeling out the gambits. The Danish, Smith-Morra, Wing Gambit (Sicilian and French) and 3.Nc3 de4 4.Bc4 Caro-Kann will force you to play sharply and tactically, and this will improve your tactical vision. 

But don't keep playing these gambits. Drop them after a few tournaments or few hundred blitz games.
  

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Re: Openings for the tactically challenged
Reply #19 - 01/02/11 at 20:05:14
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Stigma wrote on 07/26/10 at 19:09:57:


Some suggestions for White 1.d4:
Queen's Gambit/e6 Indians: The book Wojo's Weapons. Very endgame-based repertoire against all 1.d4 d5 (or rather 1.Nf3 d5) openings.


Going a little off topic here, but I'd never heard of Alexander Wojtkiewicz. He sounds like a fascinating character who came and went during my hiatus from chess.
  
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Re: Openings for the tactically challenged
Reply #18 - 07/29/10 at 22:58:42
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MartinC wrote on 07/29/10 at 13:59:18:
Are people really crazy enough to try and memorise that sort of thing long term?

Yes, I am afraid. Fortunately I am blessed with an incredibly bad memory. I just looked up if a line started with 8...Ne6 or 9...Ne6. Within five seconds after putting the book back on the shelve I had to take it again ... forgotten.
  

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Reply #17 - 07/29/10 at 20:44:05
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tbh. you have to find the openings that suit you yourself, it's wrong to do what some people say. 
It's just trial and error that will get you the openings that suit you.
I read a lot of tips on opening repertoires here and also from gm's or renowned trainers, just to find out there other openings that suit my style much better.
But of course this is a lot of work and there will also be a lot of disappointment, because learning a new opening you are not good in the beginning, but one day you will be a "universal" player, you know all the basic themes of openings and you will find the opening that really suits you. And you will also have more fun because in blitz you can play basically anything and you will play it only marginally worse than your main repertoire (maybe 100-150 points). And believe it or not many themes that "belong" to one opening can become a reality in completely different openings ...
that said it is a lot of work and trial and error, if you are ambitious in the opening. But I do also know players that attained FM titles with completely unambitious openings (in this case london system) ... they work a lot on middle game and end game and don't bother having completely equal and at times boring positions out of the opening, because of their accurate play they still win these positions, it is probably the most efficient way to get good, but I have to admit these players don't impress me.
  
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Re: Openings for the tactically challenged
Reply #16 - 07/29/10 at 15:05:04
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Antillian wrote on 07/29/10 at 11:57:53:
LeeRoth wrote on 07/29/10 at 03:08:53:

Dutch -- Skip the main lines and play 2.Nc3.  The main line runs 2..Nf6 3.Bg5 d5 4.Bxf6 exf6 5.e3 Be6/c6 6.Bd3.  And if 3..e6, then 4.e4.
      


Unfortunately, this does not work so well when Black chooses a different move order which is quite common. Example. 1. d4 d6, 1. d4 g6, 1. d4 e6 can all be used to transpose to the Dutch and are commonly used when Black has compatible 1. e4 defences. 

I was going to point that out. I play "e6 against everything" as black, with a French/Dutch repertoire, which lets me avoid most of the anti-Dutch lines. 

  

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Re: Openings for the tactically challenged
Reply #15 - 07/29/10 at 13:59:18
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Are people really crazy enough to try and memorise that sort of thing long term?  Somewhat different matter if you know what you'll be up against in advance of course but thats not something you can do very often up until a reasonably high level, and its very competition dependent even then.

Still useful for other reasons of course - they can give people the confidence they need to play interesting, main line openings and are a useful source of reference material etc

Mostly I just read them out of interest, rather than any delusion its helping me to improve Smiley

If the idea of openings not often being terribly important for the results of games isn't clear enough for anyone in the UK, you just have to consider the repitoires of some of our stronger club players. Some of them really aren't terribly impressive objectively and some almost seem to amount to self handicapping but that doesn't seem to hurt their results all that much Smiley (including against me.....).

Paddy has in fact helped to make sure that some of them are rather more organised. Which I'm glad for as losses somehow feel a little better that way Wink
  
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Re: Openings for the tactically challenged
Reply #14 - 07/29/10 at 12:22:13
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ReneDescartes wrote on 07/28/10 at 14:52:07:
Excellent philosophical reflections on the role of tactics. 

Derdudea's initial complaint about tactical disasters, with which we can all identify, may have led some of us to confuse him with others who think they can avoid tactics. Here's the quote that shows what he wants out of an opening: 

derdudea wrote on 07/26/10 at 17:49:09:

- the variation should have positional, but active character, it should pressure the opponent and fight for the ini[ti]ative, even with Black. No passive play for equality!
- the margin of (positional) error should be small, the opponent should have good chances to make mistakes.
- no theory-avoiding "non openings" like the usual queens pawn openings for "the club player".
- Space advantage and/or an attack on the opponents king should be part of my side´s game plan. Plans inflicting pawn weaknesses or other kinds of endgame advantage are welcome too.
[...]
- the openings should pose tough problems for my future opponents (ELO 1600 - 2100). Whether it can bring me an advantage against Kramnik is quite irrelevant
[italics mine].



Point taken. Still, for non-masters I reckon that main thing is to have openings and variations that are based on fairly simple plans and direct means and that one feels comfortable with. The degree of updating required should also be taken into account and matched against the amount of time and energy available. For the most part one should play main line openings (since these are the best and they are also an investment for the future), but the choice of lines within those openings should be determined by the sort of game one enjoys and one's skill-level.

For over the board play, particularly at non-master level, I think that there are several problems with the recent spate of high-quality but mega-detailed repertoire books such as Avrukh's.

Firstly, there is simply too much to remember. It's impossible.

Secondly, for a human being, the effort of even trying to absorb so much material is counter-productive and leads to confusion rather than mastery. Admittedly, in modern times we have probably tended to underestimate the potential of the human memory but, even so, the time and effort could surely be spent more profitably. A human being is not a Rybka, for whom someone can just supply an “opening book”. Human effort is best spent at developing the aspects of chess skill that humans do best  and which can be developed by experience and practice: imagination, positional understanding, logic, pattern recognition, identifying candidate moves, calculating short variations effectively.

Thirdly, the types of edge that White gains by following (say) Avrukh's recommendations are often far too subtle for the non-master to be able to make effective use of, and require skills that most non-master players don't have (yet). Whenever I see a 1700 poring over a book such Avrukh's I am reminded of Lev Alburt's observation that up to a certain level, any opening line which relies on gaining the bishop pair for its edge is pretty pointless, since in fact it requires a certain (and quite high) skill level to exploit this, and for players who have not reached that level the knight can actually be a more effective piece. (there is room for argument as to where the threshold for that level actually lies).

A final observation. All human players are tactically incompetent, especially compared to computers. It's not what we do best. In fact it's our weakest point. We all mess up, even the greatest. After Biel 2007 (a tournament that he won!) Magnus Carlsen wrote “I lost two consecutive games through terrible calculation blunders. (…) Against Van Wely I missed Qh6(!) and continued with a whole chain of errors (…)”. More recently one could cite some of the games in the Dortmund event. Chess is more of a game of chance than we like to admit. 

We should also remind ourselves of all the games that we win from bad positions because the opponent messes up! Recently I rather undeservedly won a small prize (100 euros) with 5.5/9 in an international open – how? I played two GMs and one IM, had two completely winning positions but only scored half out of three (in one game I missed a forced win and then had to defend the ending of K+R+N v K+R for 50 moves of slow torture, playing on the increment). I scored 5 points against non-masters, but in two of the games I won I was in fact completely busted close to the time control, from previously very superior positions, but then my opponents kindly gifted me the point with huge blunders! ***The openings had very little to do with the outcomes.*** 

Conclusion: we should all spend less time on opening study and more time on training. We should keep practising the basic chess skills, and in particular make sure the “chess muscles” are warmed up before each game, to give ourselves the best chance. And we should not beat ourselves up too much when we make mistakes. That's the nature of the beast we call chess.
  
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Re: Openings for the tactically challenged
Reply #13 - 07/29/10 at 11:57:53
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LeeRoth wrote on 07/29/10 at 03:08:53:

Dutch -- Skip the main lines and play 2.Nc3.  The main line runs 2..Nf6 3.Bg5 d5 4.Bxf6 exf6 5.e3 Be6/c6 6.Bd3.  And if 3..e6, then 4.e4.
      


Unfortunately, this does not work so well when Black chooses a different move order which is quite common. Example. 1. d4 d6, 1. d4 g6, 1. d4 e6 can all be used to transpose to the Dutch and are commonly used when Black has compatible 1. e4 defences. 
  

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Re: Openings for the tactically challenged
Reply #12 - 07/29/10 at 03:08:53
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Derudea,

Lot's of good sugestions so far.  But you want to keep playing the QGD exchange and the minority attack, so let's stick with that.  I assume you're playing 1.d4 2.c4 3.Nc3.  Here are some solid lines that still give White a chance to press:

Tarrasch -- Avoid the main lines with 6.Bg5!  This typically leads to an equal position where White has chances to press Black.  The goal is a position where the dark Bishops come off and the center pawns are locked on d4 d5.  That means that White's light squared Bishop can attack Black's d5 pawn, but Black's light squared bishop can't do the same to White's d4 pawn.  

Triangle 3..c6 -- Play 4.e3 and head for a Semi-Slav.  If 4..f5, play a set-up with Bd3, Nge2, Qc2, f3, 0-0 with a strong position.

Slav -- Play the Exchange.  Go for the main line with 6.Bf4 Bf5 7.e3 e6 8.Bb5 Nd7 and now 9.Qa5 or Markovich's favorite 9.Qb3.  

Semi-Slav -- Play the Meran, but avoid the sharp lines with 6.Qc2, b3, Be2, Bb7, 0-0.    

Baltic 2..Bf5 -- Again skip the adventures and play 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3.  Develop your pieces and if you get a chance play Nh4 and win the two bishops.

QGA -- Play a blast from the past, the good old Mannheim: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Qa4+ or, if you're worried about Back's third move alternatives, 3.Qa4+.  Aim for play down the c-file.  

Chigorin and Marshall -- Sorry, here you're on your own.

Albin, Benko, and Budapest -- Run don't walk to get a copy of Squeezing the Gambits.  It's brilliant and just what you're after.  

Benoni and KID -- A two for one special.  You can play the Bg5 Saemisch vs both.  See games of Sadler, Lautier, Jussupow, and Dreev.   

Gruenfeld -- Try the Closed 4.Nf3, 5.e3.  Thought there was a good write up in one of Jussupow's new books.   

Nimzo -- If you have something you like, you should stick to it, as I can't think of anything like a safe line.  You could consider 4.e3 and 5.Nge2 against pretty much everything.  Look for solid sidelines that avoid the heavy theory.  

Dutch -- Skip the main lines and play 2.Nc3.  The main line runs 2..Nf6 3.Bg5 d5 4.Bxf6 exf6 5.e3 Be6/c6 6.Bd3.  And if 3..e6, then 4.e4.

Hope this helps!
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Reply #11 - 07/28/10 at 14:52:07
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Excellent philosophical reflections on the role of tactics. 

Derdudea's initial complaint about tactical disasters, with which we can all identify, may have led some of us to confuse him with others who think they can avoid tactics. Here's the quote that shows what he wants out of an opening: 

derdudea wrote on 07/26/10 at 17:49:09:

- the variation should have positional, but active character, it should pressure the opponent and fight for the ini[ti]ative, even with Black. No passive play for equality!
- the margin of (positional) error should be small, the opponent should have good chances to make mistakes.
- no theory-avoiding "non openings" like the usual queens pawn openings for "the club player".
- Space advantage and/or an attack on the opponents king should be part of my side´s game plan. Plans inflicting pawn weaknesses or other kinds of endgame advantage are welcome too.
[...]
- the openings should pose tough problems for my future opponents (ELO 1600 - 2100). Whether it can bring me an advantage against Kramnik is quite irrelevant
[italics mine].

Derdudea does not want to play the Botvinnik Semi-Slav, but he does not want to play the London System either: he wants an ambitious strategic repertoire. 

@derdudea:
I'm going to recommend a set of books giving quite complete coverage of lines that are still positional, but in some cases a little less endgame-oriented than Stigma's excellent recommendations. Use whatever is closer to the style that you're seeking.

For White, Palliser's Play 1.d4! would seem ideal. White's plans are "quite easy to understand, but by no means innocuous." The variations are ambitious, but also solid, and they are neither razor-sharp nor highly theoretical. They include the Bg5 variation against the Gruenfeld, which usually yields the minority attack pawn structure that you like; the Petrosian Variation against the KID, which slows the pace of the mutual attacks and creates deep strategic connections across the whole board; positional QGD main lines and acceptable sidelines that sidestep the sharp Vienna,  etc.  Palliser's 3. Nf3 does forgo the QGD Exchange, but it helps you avoid lines that you don't want to face in other defenses 

Regarding the Black repertoire:

The French, which you already play, takes care of 1.e4. 

Against 1.d4, John Emms' Easy Guide to the Nimzo-Indian, mostly using lines with ...b6, and ...Ne4 where appropriate, fits your criteria in case of 3.Nc3. I suppose I would recommend the Tartakower QGD against d4/c4/Nf3. Sadler's book on the QGD explains the plans. Cox's Dealing with d4 Deviations blends in well with these choices, using ...Nf6 and ...e6 against the d-pawn specials.

The only change I would suggest from the above is to replace Palliser's rather sharp lines against the Benoni, which involve grabbing a hot pawn in some major variations. Stigma's recommendation of Avrukh 2 is great, but it might not integrate well with the move orders for the other variations. If you don't want to use it, I would recommend the Knight's Tour variation, where you will often hold Black in a severe strategic bind.  If Black is booked he may know how to gambit the d-pawn at the base of his pawn chain, but even then you're no worse.  Bellin and Ponzetto's Mastering the Benoni and Benko with the Read and Play Method has a good explanation of what's going on. Their terrific book on the KID, Mastering the King's Indian with the Read and Play Method, has a beautiful chapter on the Petrosian variation. Very, very few players at 1600-1800 will understand what is going on strategically in these variations, yet it's not too subtle for you to understand.

Palliser's Beating Unusual Chess Openings should take care of the major flank openings. 

The only other thing you need is a line against the Catalan; probably Davies' Play the Catalan is best, though not theoretically the most complete. Since you play the French, you can play the closed Catalan as Black and refrain from capturing when White plays e4; then you will often get a pleasingly familiar French pawn chain to work with.

For completeness, Watson and Schiller's Big Book of Busts gives lines against just about all the nonsense out there that's too bizarre for Palliser. They have even supplemented the informant symbols with a Mickey Mouse head for the most asinine lines.
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Re: Openings for the tactically challenged
Reply #10 - 07/28/10 at 08:09:42
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Excellent comments by the last four posters. I'm sure BPaulsen wasn't the only one thinking 'Could have been me writing that'.

I think there's another reason for the force of these comments, which might be described as a sort of paradox. The more one strives for positional/strategic play, hoping to defeat the opponent by abstract 'ideas' so to speak, without the need for too much concrete calculation, the more one is likely to find oneself in positions of a more technical nature at some stage of the game -- and then find that these technical positions (typically but not necessarily endings) require ... calculation!

This isn't to say that players of a more positional or strategic bent shouldn't play to their strengths in choosing their repertoires -- far from it. But it is another indication that it's best not to get too one-sided or neglect (as I rather have!) tactical vision/training. I think too that, for players under master strength anyway, it's best to choose openings which, however positionally/strategically oriented, do contain opportunities for [i]some[/i] dynamic and aggressive play, and (to put the same thing another way) to be not just ready but also [i]eager[/i] to interpret a 'strategic' opening system actively and dynamically when the position calls for it.
  
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Reply #9 - 07/27/10 at 10:41:06
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Openings can be divided into two main cetegories:
"swords" or "shields".

The tactically weak can be advised to use "shields" in their tournament games but practise with "swords".

Example "shields" for use in tournament games:
White: London System
Black: Slav + one of these: Fort Knox French; Centre Counter with 2...Qxd5; Caro Kann.

For rapid practice games:  1 e4 and lots of gambits!

At the same time keep working on your tactical pattern recognition and calculation by means of DAILY practice, using both tactics puzzles and endgame studies. Take your time; use a real board; carefully and honestly write down what you "see" before looking up the answers. 

This process of "exercising your chess muscles" is much more important than getting the answers right, so never get discouraged - this is your best chance of achieving the improvements you want, so stick at it.

You're probably never going to get the RESULTS you need to be a master, so lighten up a bit and enjoy the PROCESS of playing and studying chess, marvel at its beauty and inexhaustibility. Otherwise you are likely to become one of the many mediocre but dissatisfied players (we all know them) who somehow cannot separate their self-esteem from their chess results and are unhappy because of it.

Books: Yusupov's series for Quality Chess is a very  strong recommendation.
  
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Re: Openings for the tactically challenged
Reply #8 - 07/27/10 at 03:20:53
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Seth_Xoma wrote on 07/26/10 at 22:49:23:
Remember too, that no matter how many positional advantages you've collected, at some point you will still need to calculate accurately in order to transform your plusses into a win. Sometimes your advantages are such that you must enter tactically complex positions or your positional advantages just disappear. Games rarely win themselves. I've blown my fair share of "overwhelming" positions in just such a way.


Sounds like I could've written it.

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You have to do what it takes to win. There's no harm in trying to trying to play for positional grinds, but you're going to run into problems if you're trying to avoid tactical complications all the time.

At some point you're going to get opponents that do unsound things that require purely tactical refutations, or else you simply risk losing. This is especially true when you build up a positionally winning position and your opponent will try to swindle his way out.
  

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Remember too, that no matter how many positional advantages you've collected, at some point you will still need to calculate accurately in order to transform your plusses into a win. Sometimes your advantages are such that you must enter tactically complex positions or your positional advantages just disappear. Games rarely win themselves. I've blown my fair share of "overwhelming" positions in just such a way.
  
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Reply #6 - 07/26/10 at 21:01:50
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Honestly, I don't think avoiding tactics and calculating variations will do you any good.  It's impossible and will probably lose you more games.

It's common to think that players such as Petrosian avoiding tactics and calculating, but generally they are extremely good as this (better than many "attacking players").  Don't get too attached to your stereotypes.

A recent high profile case of chess blindness has been Mamedyarov at Dortmund (see http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6535).  Not to mention Kramnik's blunder into mate in one in the match against the computer (while world champion) not to mention his loss from a winning position in the decisive game in the match against Shirov in 1998.

I could go on and on - the best players in the world make plenty of mistakes in tactics and calculating pretty much every game, so don't think you are anything special!

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