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Let me answer my critics. First I played plenty of games without f3... the von Popiel Gambit, 1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 Bg5; the Orangutan, 1 b4!; the Grob, 1 g4!;
and many others. In my pre-BDG days, I used to play the King's Gambit; the Italian Game; the Latvian Gambit;
the Sicilian Defense; the Petroff, just to name a few openings.

Secondly, the move (1 g4 e5) 2 Bg2?! is dubious. I play 
2 e3 here, delaying (or not playing) Bg2 in this position.
I have defeated masters with 1 g4! . The opening is much better than its reputation.  It's just that you have to know BOTH tactics and positional play to be good at playing the Grob.

LDZ, have you ever played a game as White WITHOUT f3 ?

Markovich - I played that 3...dc4 line as black against an 1800 player and won.  My opponent played 6.f3 and was in trouble after 6...e5.  In another game against a 2300 player, I lost, but I had a lot of attacking chances that I bungled.  I now think that 3...c6 is better

i tried giving the grob a shot a long time ago. it was fun when  people played expected setups, but i got tired of it pretty quickly when i realised that my opponents didn't really even have to acknowledge my existance.

Then Black candidates should visit Jeremy Silman's site first.

Thanks for the info

Also, i remember hearing about some variation of the Grob that is called the Zibermints varation?? I may be wrong about the spelling, but can anyone inform me what moves are in that variation.