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Re: Lisitsin Gambit
Reply #7 - 03/22/04 at 08:23:01
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also good is 3 .... d5 4 d3 qd6!when according to valeri beim most testing is 5 nc3 h6 6 nb5 qc6 7 dxe4 hxg5 8 qd7 bxg5 9a6 nc3 10 exd5 All is very unclear and white has compensation for piece.
  
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Re: Lisitsin Gambit
Reply #6 - 12/21/03 at 15:10:22
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Kindermann does indeed recommend  5...e5 after 5. Be3. I can't see any reason not to develop the bishop to e3 because although the f-file opens up after 5. fxe3?!, now 5...e5! is with tempo (queen hits knight) and Black has at least equalized and I think is probably at least a little bit better. I found no games with 5. fxe3 and Kindermann does not even mention it.
  
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Re: Lisitsin Gambit
Reply #5 - 12/20/03 at 23:46:49
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I like 3...Nc6!  Even after the better 4.d3 Black seems to be doing well after 4...e3 5.Bxe3 (5.fxe4!? or maybe ?!) 5...e5.  Is this the way Kindermann suggests Black play?
  
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Re: Lisitsin Gambit
Reply #4 - 12/19/03 at 11:04:26
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Having finally ordered Kindermann's Leningrader System, I think that it is not necessary to play different move orders. I played Kindermann's recommended 1. Nf3 f5 2. e4!? fxe4 3. Ng5 Nc6(!) (Kindermann gives this a modest !?) the point being that 4. Nxe4?! d5! 5. Ng3 e5 =/+. I would recommend Leningrader System to anyone looking for a dynamic way to play against not only 1. d4, but also 1. c4 and 1. Nf3
  
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Re: Lisitsin Gambit
Reply #3 - 12/07/03 at 13:09:53
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1.Nf3 g6 .d4 f5!? is a viable move order, but Black needs to be careful as White has the interesting option of 3.h4!? when 3...Nf6 4.h5 Nxh5 5.Rxh5 gxh5 6.e4! is very interesting.

A sample of how Black can easily go wrong: 6...d6(! - 6...fxe4? 7.Ne5) 7.Ng5 c6? (trying to create 'luft' on c7) 8.Qxh5+ Kd7 9.Ne6!!.

Black *should* play 6...d6 7.Ng5 fxe4! when it is a moot point whether White has enough compensation - but psychologically it may be difficult to decide on 7...fxe4 having rejected it the previous move.  Besides, it certainly takes the Dutch player out of his normal territory!
  
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Re: Lisitsin Gambit
Reply #2 - 12/06/03 at 20:57:54
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That's a useful move order, but I personally prefer 1...d6 transposing to the Dutch or Sicilian or possibly the English 1...e5 variations.  These move orders avoid some possiblities while allowing others.  It certainly needs testing, but I am now of the opinion that Black doesn't need to fear the Lisitsin Gambit because of the above mentioned defense and could be useful to a Dutch player who doensn't want to allow transpositions to the other openings we mentioned.
  
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Re: Lisitsin Gambit
Reply #1 - 12/06/03 at 19:16:11
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For Dutch players (Leningrad) 1. Nf3 g6! is a great move order, especially if you also play the Sicilian (Dragon)Pirc/Modern/Gurgenidze against 1. e4. From here, 2. c4 f5 retains the option of transposing to a Dutch while 2...c5 and ...e5 are solid lines against the English. 2. e4 c5 (I have reached a Dragon position from here!) is a Sicilian Hyper-Accelerated Dragon while 2.e4 Bg7 or 2. e4 d6 is Pirc/Modern while 2. e4 c6 can lead to a Gurgenidze. 2. d4 f5 is a Dutch while 2. g3 (KIA) Bg7 and black continues to camouflage his formation.

What is excellent about this move order is that, if not prepared for transpositions, White can find himself quickly in unfamiliar territory while it also has the advantage of avoiding the Lisitsin Gambit.
  
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Lisitsin Gambit
11/27/03 at 21:23:46
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I thought of new (according to my limited resources) move in the Lisitsin Gambit and wanted to see what others thought about it:  1.Nf3 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Ng5 Nf6 4.d3 e5 5.dxe4 h6 6.Nf3 Nc6, here "The Lisitsin Gambit" by Stephen Gordon only mentions 7.Nh4 Bc5 8.Ng6 Bxf2+??, but I think the awkward looking 8...Rh7 is a clear improvement.  Once the Knight is removed from g6 (...d6, Ne7 or perhaps ...Be6-f7) Black appears to have a good position.  White probably does better to play something simple like 7.Nc3 (7.Bc4!?) Bc5 8.Bc4 d6 9.h3 h6 10.0-0, but perhaps now Black could try ...Qe7 with the idea of ...Be6?
  
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