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Re: Danish Qe7
Reply #19 - 03/25/04 at 04:13:29
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Reply #18 - 03/24/04 at 19:40:40
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My last post has been censored. It is not my fault, that the first name of the Dutch corr. GM D.Smit is spelled with ck.
  

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Re: Danish Qe7
Reply #17 - 03/24/04 at 19:29:29
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The Danish being my first opening love, I feel obliged to comment on Watson's article. My first impression, is that theory not much has changed since the books by Rolf Schwarz (1978) and Dick Smit (1982) - the latter one being a birthday present of my first girlfriend.
I Danish Accepted
7.Qb3 Qd7 8.Ng5!? (my invention, about 20 years ago) and 7.Qb3 Nh6 8.o-o are White's last chance to justify the double pawn sac.
II Göring Gambit Accepted
6...Bxc3+ 7bxc3 d6 is the more precise move order.
In the 8...Bg4 indeed 16.c4 is critical; the inventor is probably the Dutch/Argentinian master Perez Garcia. Look in NIC-yearbook 1-3.
III Göring Gambit Declined
4...Nge7 is known since Tartakower-Réti, Berlin 1928.
This defence always has been one of the two reasons for me to prefer 2.d4 above 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4.
V Danish Accepted B
As already explained, I think 5...Bb4+ 6.Nc3 d5 7.Bxd5 more precise.
VI Scottish Gambit
Note the transposition 4.c3 dxc3 5.Bc4 Bb4.
In line b, after 6.bxc3 Qf6 White certainly has other 7th moves, eg 7.Qb3 and 7.Qc2.

My opinion remains the same: dubious, messy, but unrefuted!
  

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Reply #16 - 03/24/04 at 04:52:54
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One of Watson's latest reviews compare the Watson/Schiller analysis with the specialised Danish Dynamite


http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/jwatsonbkrev62.html
  
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Re: Danish Qe7
Reply #15 - 03/16/04 at 08:52:05
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I agree with your comment on Schiller but 7...Kf8! was John Watson's idea. So it will be an interesting  topic to find a clear refutation to his move.
  
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Re: Danish Qe7
Reply #14 - 03/15/04 at 15:35:28
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As I already wrote, I do not trust Schiller. After 5.Bxb2 d5 6.Bxd5 Bb4+ 7.Nd2 Kf8 White has 8.a3!? Ba5 (Be7 9.Qb3) 9.Ngf3 Nf6 10.o-o Nxd5 11.Nc4 and White's lead in development compensates the pawn. I would not like to defend an open position with a king on f8.
The reversed move order 5...Bb4+ 6.Nc3 d5 is a tougher nut to crack.
  

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Re: Danish Qe7
Reply #13 - 03/15/04 at 10:03:00
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Then better is after 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Bc4 cxb2 5.Bxb2 d5 6.Bxd5 Bb4+! 7.Nd2 Kf8! (instead of the normal 7...Bxd2+; This avoid Qa4+ and covers g7.) "We give as sample lines 8.Ngf3 Or 8.Ne2 Nf6; 8.Qf3 Bxd2+ 9.Kxd2 Be6. 8...Nf6 9.Qb3 Nxd5 10.exd5 Qe7+ 11.Kf1 Na6 12.Re1 Qd8 and White lacks compensation." ~ Eric Schiller & John Watson, 2003.
  
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Re: Danish Qe7
Reply #12 - 03/14/04 at 19:01:54
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The lines given in this summary were not the
reason for me to give up the Danish. I think
5.Bxb2 d5 is imprecise, because of 6.exd5
Bb4+ 7.Nd2! Bxd2+ 8.Qxd2 Nf6 9.Qg5 o-o
10.Nf3 Nbd7 11.Rad1 Qe7 12.o-o c6 13.Bb3
h6 14.Qg3 Nc5 Szczepanski-Krüger, corr
T-6802 GER 1986, 15.Bc2! Be6 16.Bb1 Rad8
17.Nd4 plan 18.f4 with compensation (MNb).
But Black might try a transposition with
5...Bb4+ 6.Nc3 d5!
See for more details amongst others Firnhaber's
book Nordisches Gambit from 1989.
Note that Schiller is a very unreliable source. The Danish is really not that easy to refute!
  

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Re: Danish Qe7
Reply #11 - 03/14/04 at 02:55:12
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Reply #10 - 01/09/04 at 19:43:13
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You gave a fine summary on the important 5.. d5 6.Bxd5
Nf6 line. To be honest, I have never met this defense.
The sporting move is 7.Nc3!? of course and Bc5 is
critical indeed. But I think White was not so bad in
Hector-Setterqvist, Linköping 1984.
At the other hand, if you are interested in a queenless
middlegame with a very asymmetrical structure, then
there is nothing wrong with 7.Bxf7+. It is a matter of
taste.
Harder to meet is 5.. d5 6.Bd5 Bb4+
A) 7.Kf1? is unnatural and bad.
B) 7.Nc3 leads to some advantage for Black.
C) 7.Nd2 is White's best chance; the recommended
Bxd2+ 8.Qxd2 Nf6 9.Qg5 o-o gives some interesting
possibilities after 10.Nf3 or 10.Rd1. Being a pawn down,
White has to play actively of course, but in an open
position the pair of bishops should compensate.
Alas I do not have a clear cut solution for the transposition
5.. Bb4+
A) I distrust 6.Kf1 again, though Keres investigated it.
B) 6.Nc3 d5 7.Bxd5 is the transposition.
C) 6.Nd2 is promoted by Estrin, but Qg5 is really not
so clear: 7.Nf3 Bxd2+ 8.Qxd2 (8.Ke2!?) Qxd2+ 9.Kxd2 f6
10.e5 with some compensation.
Still, the Danish remains unrefuted. As long as Black
players can not believe this, this opening offers great
practical chances. At the other hand, White can not
afford cautiousness.
But it is possible, that I have to change some verdicts
after studying the new Danish Dynamite book, of course.
  
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Re: Danish Qe7
Reply #9 - 01/08/04 at 20:29:42
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Yes the line looks much better with 11. Nc7+.

So we have covered the 5. Qe7 version of the Danish accepted.  I guess while were on it we may as well talk about other lines as well.

Now the main line continues 5..d5 6. Bxd5 Nf6 7. Bxf7+ Kxf7 8. Qxd8 Bb4+ 9. Qd2 Bxd2 10. Nxd2 Re8 11. Nf3  It leads to a fairly equal position, although i would rather have white in this position.  Do you prefer to simplify with 7. Bxf7+ or keep the tension with 7. Nc3?! and hope for the trap  7..Nxd5 8. Nxd5 c6 9. Nf6+ gxf6 10. Bxf6+ 1-0 or the more likely continuation 7..Nxd5 8. Nxd5 Nd7 where white still has chances.  John Nunn states that 7. Nc3 Bc5 is the best move for black.

What are youre thoughts on white's 7th move in the mainline 7. Bxf7+ (my choice) or 7. Nc3?
  
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Reply #8 - 01/08/04 at 15:30:05
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So we agree on 5...Qe7 6.Nc3 Nf6.
But do not conclude to soon that Black wins because
of his material advantage in the Danish Accepted!
7.Qc2 d6 8.Nge2 b5 9.Bxb5 cxb5 10.Nd5 Qd7
11.Nc7+ Kd8 12.Nxa8 Bb7 is still unclear with the
Black king stuck in the centre.
  
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Re: Danish Qe7
Reply #7 - 01/08/04 at 15:20:41
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I'm sorry maybe I wasn't being clear.  When I said 7..d6 is better for black, I didn't mean the position favors black, I meant 7..d6 is better for black than 7..d5.  Sorry I see why you thought that.

Anyway thanks for the line after 6. Nc3 Nf6 it was very useful.  However, I think there is a mistake in your other line 7. Qc2 d6. 8. Nge2 b5 9. Bxb5 cxb5 10. Nd5 Qd7 11. Rc1 Na6 12. Nc7+ Nxc7+ 13. Qxc7 Qxc7 14. Rxc7 looks like 0-1 to me.
  
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Reply #6 - 01/06/04 at 18:31:23
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Maybe I was not clear enough. I am not sure at all
that 5...Qe7 6.Nc3 c6 7.Qb3 d6 8.o-o-o is better for
Black. That 1951 corr. game was won by Wysowski
after Be6 9.Bxe6 fxe6 10.Nf3 Na6 11.Ba3 with nasty
pressure.
Initially I did not like 5...Qe7 6.Nc3 c6 7.Qc2 because
of d6 8.o-o-o Be6 and the book line is very unconvincing.
But better is 8.Nge2 (8.Nf3 Bg4) with the idea b5
9.Bxb5! cxb5 10.Nd5 Qd7 11.Rc1 Na6 12.Nc7+ Kd8
13.Nxa8 Qxa8 14.o-o. So critical is 8...Be6.
Now my verdict is: this is the usual Danish mess;
dubious and highly unclear. According to Tartakower
these lines must be playable then.
5...Qe7 6.Nc3 Nf6 does not feel good. 7.Nf3 d6 8.o-o
Nc6 9.Nd5 Qd8 10.Ng5 Ne5 11.Bxe5 dxe5 12.Nxf7
Kxf7 13.Nxc7+ Ke7 14.Qxd8+ Kxd8 15.Nxa8 was
Sturm-Mitchell, corr USA 1950, which ended in a
draw. But it is easy to find improvements, as f7 is a
very weak spot: 11.Nxf6+ gxf6 12.Bxe5 fxe5 13.Nxf7
Qf6 14.Qh5 is just one of them.
Note that 7...Nxe4 8.o-o is great for White.
Really, after some ten years nobody dared to accept
anymore, even not clearly stronger players. I gave up
the Danish, because my opponents started to
outprepare me with boring declining lines.
Still I love to analyse the Danish Accepted, as it
never fails to cheer me up.
  
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Re: Danish Qe7
Reply #5 - 01/06/04 at 00:54:05
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Hi, and thanks for the well done analysis. I agree that after 7. Qb3 d5 black is in trouble and 7. Qb3 d6 is better for black.  However, I believe that the best move for white is 7. Qc2! after 7..d5 white has 8. Bxd5! Qg5 (8..cxd5? 9. Nxd5 Qd7 10. Nc7+) 9. Nb5 Qd8 10. 0-0-0 and white has an almost irresistable attack.

Another thought I have is for black.  A critical variation is 6. Nc3 Nf6!?  the best continuation I can find for white is 7. Qe2 Nc6 8. Nf3 d6 9. 0-0 or 0-0-0 depending on preference.  And although white has a good prospects for an attack, overall this line is better for black than than the 6..c6 line in my opinion.

So what are the thoughts about 7. Qc2 instead of 7. Qb3 and 6. Nf6 instead of 6. c6?
  
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