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Re: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 cxd4!?
Reply #8 - 03/24/04 at 06:33:40
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Thanks. OK. It's a good point.

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Re: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 cxd4!?
Reply #7 - 03/24/04 at 05:57:33
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The line 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 may nominally be an Alapin, but it's a type of position that much more closely resembles a French, so I don't think you should take the ECO codes too seriously in this case.
  
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Re: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 cxd4!?
Reply #6 - 03/23/04 at 20:43:32
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3...d5 (and not 3...cxd4!?)

A) 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 is Alapin (B22) and not French

B) 4.e5 French (C02)

After 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 cxd4!? 4.cxd4 d5 white has to choice Caro-Kann (5.exd5 exd5) or French (5.e5 Nc6) but not Alapin (B22). So only the move 3...cxd4!? limits white's choice because 3...d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 is Alapin (B22).
  
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Re: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 cxd4!?
Reply #5 - 03/23/04 at 19:55:18
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I still do not understand: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5
A)4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 is very likely to transpose to a French Tarrasch; Black very often plays cxd4 anyway.
B)4.e5 is a French Advance Variation; Black can again play cxd4 at a later point.
So it seems to me, that 3...cxd4 4.cxd4 d5 only limits Black's choice, not White's.
Anyone playing the 2.c3 system, will meet 2...e6 in a similar way as he/she meets the French.
  

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Re: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 cxd4!?
Reply #4 - 03/21/04 at 19:12:58
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This line avoids the whole Alapin and changes the opening normally to Caro-Kann or French. It's interesting to know this possibility if black also play these openings.
  
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Re: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 cxd4!?
Reply #3 - 03/21/04 at 18:06:42
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I do not understand what the advantage is of
3...cxd4 4.cxd4 d5 compared to 3...d5
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Re: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 cxd4!?
Reply #2 - 03/21/04 at 09:38:32
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Thanks.

So black may avoid the whole Alapin (B22) and play French (C02) or Caro-Kann (B14).

White may have other choice to play against an Anti-Alapin line but it's not clear if white has opening advantage. Of course it's also looks playable to me as you indicated.
  
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Re: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 cxd4!?
Reply #1 - 03/21/04 at 00:17:24
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"Play The 2.c3 Sicilian" by Rozentalis and Harley have this to say about this, "1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.cxd4 d5 gives White a choice:

a) 5.e5 Nc6 transposes to a form of Advance French where Black has already exchanged on d4.  White might be able to exploit this with 6.Nf3 Qb6 [no mention of 6...Nge7!?] 7.a3 followed by Nc3.

b) With 5.exd5 exd5 White opts for a symmetrical position with slightly better chances; for example: 6.Nc3 Nc6 7.Nge2 Nf6 8.g3 Bg4 9.Bg2 Bb4 10.O-O O-O 11.Bg5 and White has some pressure on the d5-pawn, Palkovi-C.Bauer, Austrian Cht 1999/00."

None of this looks earth shattering though so it certainly looks playable to me.
  
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1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 cxd4!?
03/20/04 at 23:17:46
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I have a suggestion in order to avoid the main lines in Alapin B22

1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 cxd4!?

a) 4.Nf3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 Nc6 - B20

b) 4.cxd4 d5

b1) 5.e5 Nc6 6.Nf3 Nge7 7.Bd3 Nf5 - C02

b2) 5.exd5 exd5 6.Nc3 Nf6 7.Nf3 Nc6 - B14

White may play other move but will be out of book because there is no theoretical line to play against this new line in Alapin on move 5!

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