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Reply #16 - 04/26/04 at 16:30:07
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After 10 ... e5, I think White has an advantage.  Smiley

1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.Nc3 e6 5.Bf4 Bxf3 6.gxf3 Bd6 7.Bg3 Nge7 8.e3 f5 9.c5 9...Bxg3 10.hxg3 e5 11.dxe5 Nxe5 12.Be2! Protecting the f3 pawn 12...N5c6 This avoids material loss. A. 12...c6 13.Qd4 N7g6 14.f4 Black has absolutely no compensation for the g pawn that will be lost. B. 12...Qd7 13.Qd4 N7c6 14.Qxd5 0–0–0 15.0–0–0 Again, Black doesn't have an compensation for the lost pawn. 13.Qa4! Prophylaxic against Black's queenside castling as White can play Bb5 pinning Black's two knights and queen down. 13...Qd7 14.0–0–0 0–0–0 15.b4! [15.Nb5 This gives White a risk-free slight advantage 15...a6 16.Nd4 Nxd4 17.Qxd7+ Rxd7 18.Rxd4 White has a slight advantage Black's position is full of weaknesses and the White Bishop is more valuable than the Black Knight] 15...Kb8 [15...a6 16.b5 Na7 17.bxa6 Qxa4 18.axb7+ Kxb7 19.Nxa4±] 16.b5 Ne5 17.f4 Nf7 18.Bf3 c6 White has an attack. Which Black can't prevent ; White should win.
  
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Re: Play 1. d4!!
Reply #15 - 04/25/04 at 13:11:26
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There's one line in the book that has caused me trouble so far and I don't really know how to play against it. In the Chigorin I'd like to hear what people think about the line I had to face in the following correspondence game:

1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nf3 Bg4 4. Nc3 e6 5. Bf4 Bxf3 6. gxf3 Bd6 7. Bg3 Nge7 8.
e3 f5 9. Bxd6 Qxd6 10. f4 O-O 11. Rg1 dxc4 12. Qa4 a6 13. Qxc4 b5 14. Qe2 Na5
15. O-O-O c5 16. Kb1 cxd4 17. Rxd4 Qc7 18. Bg2 Rad8 19. Rgd1 Rxd4 20. exd4 Qd6
21. d5 exd5 22. Nxd5 Ng6 23. h4 Nc6 24. h5 Nge7 25. Qe3 Nxd5 26. Rxd5 Qe7 27.
Rc5 1-0

I think that 8...f5 has to be a serious improvement on the Kramink-Morozevich game that the book quotes - in fact it seems like the lines Morozevich plays in the Chigorin are always the best ones (and too many authors relegate them to the variations - one of the worst examples being Dunnington's "Attacking with 1.d4", who has what is nowadays the main line with just subvariation status and bases his recommendation on what his chess engine told him).
In the game above I had the feeling that I got a fairly poor position out of the opening, but my opponent didn't play agressively enough on the queenside and suddenly even managed to get into a lost endgame.
He said that in a different ICCF correspondence chess game he faced 9.c5 Lxg3 10.hxg3 and white had chances on the kingside (that game continued 10...b6 11.cxb6 axb6 12.f4 0-0 13.Qh5), however I rejected this variation due to fearing 10...e5!?.

Do people have any thoughts on how one should play in this variation? It would be nice to play that line as white, as it seems otherwise fairly easy to play.
  
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Re: Play 1. d4!!
Reply #14 - 04/21/04 at 18:23:48
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Exactly because 1.d4 d6 2.c4 f5 is an uncommon move order, I play this sometimes. Of course it is a gamble that White will not play 2.e4 but that is even more uncommon!
  

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Re: Play 1. d4!!
Reply #13 - 04/21/04 at 08:15:23
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Thanks for people's kind words. Feedback always welcome.
The Dutch is an annoying choice for such a book as each variation after g3 and c4 (Classical, Stonewall and Leningrad) is both theoretical and also quite hard to understand. 2 Nc3! thus seems a much better practical weapon for the club player. However, Black does have other moveorders, but then not all White players will meet 1 d4 e6 with 2 c4 nor 1 d4 d6 with 2 c4. Incidentially 1 d4 d6 2 c4 f5 is quite a rare moveorder and, if White is happy about 2...Bg4 (when 3 Qd3!? is an idea), some players may be happy to play 1 d4 d6 2 Nf3 when the line Ben mentions is then possible.
Yes, 1 d4 d5 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 f5 should maybe have had more attention, but Bonsai's line is very good, although in it White can also just castle instead of g4 and still have a pleasant edge.
  
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Re: Play 1. d4!!
Reply #12 - 04/19/04 at 03:28:54
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Oxford boys sticking together, I see ...  Wink
  

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Re: Play 1. d4!!
Reply #11 - 04/17/04 at 19:21:56
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Play 1.d4! by IM Richard Palliser is an excellent book - Richard is a first rate theoretician, and I would depend on his text for my own opening prep - and I am an IM!
  
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Re: Play 1. d4!!
Reply #10 - 04/03/04 at 03:14:25
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Yes, I spotted that problem (Update: Sorry, it actually is covered, it's just not in the index of variations - look on page 241).


Well, I agree that the line you give is nice for white, but I can't find where its mentioned.

On page 241 he treats a line after 1.d4 e6 2.c4 f5 3.Nc3 d5, but in the transposition I was talking about, white has developed his Nf3 - not his Nc3. (And it matters, because he continues with Nge2)

But of course I wouldn't rule out that it is hidden somewhere - It is a heavy book, and I haven't had enough time to study it. I'm mainly interested in his chapters on the queens gambit. Smiley
  
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Re: Play 1. d4!!
Reply #9 - 04/02/04 at 14:32:36
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Not the entire game, but he mentions it on page 253.
  
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Re: Play 1. d4!!
Reply #8 - 04/02/04 at 14:08:54
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Does Palliser give the game Ligterink-Van Wijgerden, Wijk aan Zee 1983?
1.d4 d6 2.c4 f5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 e6 (I do not like Nbd7) 5.e4 fxe4 6.Bxf6 Qxf6 7.Ne4 Qh6! and Black, an important Dutch trainer, went on to win nicely.
  

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Re: Play 1. d4!!
Reply #7 - 04/02/04 at 08:59:20
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No, he doesn't cover 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 f5, in the book he recommends 2.c4. In fact against Dutch setups his recommendation almost all seem to involve avoiding Ng1-f3 (a move which he seems to like quite quite a lot in most other openings).
  
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Re: Play 1. d4!!
Reply #6 - 04/02/04 at 08:16:57
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One recent Palliser game that won't have made it to the databases is this:
[Event "Woodhouse"]
[Site "Bradford v York A"]
[Date "2004.01.03"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Palliser, Richard"]
[Black "Hague, B"]
[Result "1-0"]

1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 f5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Nbd7 5.e3 e6 6.Bd3 Be7 7.h3 O-O 8.g4 Ne4 9.Nxe4 fxe4 10.Bxe7 Qxe7 11.Bxe4 d5 12.Bd3 Qb4+ 13.Qd2 Qxb2 14.Ke2 Qa3 15.Ng5 Nf6 16.f4 b6 17.Rhb1 c5 18.Rb3 Qa4 19.dxc5 bxc5 20.Bb5 Ba6 21.Qd3 Bxb5 22.Qxb5 Qxb5+ 23.Rxb5 Rfe8 24.Rxc5 Rab8 25.Rc7 Rb2 26.Rd1 Rxa2 27.Rb1 h6 28.Nf3 Ne4 29.Rbb7 Nd6 30.Rxa7 Rxa7 31.Rxa7 Rc8 32.Nd4 Rc3 33.Re7 Nc4 34.Rxe6 Kf7 35.f5 Na3 36.Kd2 Rc4 37.Ra6 Nb1+ 38.Kc1 Rb4 39.Ne6 Nc3 40.Ra7+ Kf6 41.Nxg7 Rb1+ 42.Kd2 Ne4+ 43.Ke2 Rh1 44.Nh5+ Kg5 45.Nf4 Rh2+ 46.Kf1 Rxc2 47.Ra6 Kh4 48.Ke1 Rc1+ 49.Ke2 Rc2+ 50.Kd1 Rh2 51.f6 Rh1+ 52.Kc2 Rh2+ 53.Kb3 Nc5+ 54.Kc3 d4+ 55.exd4 Rf2 56.dxc5 Rxf4 57.Rd6 Kxh3 58.c6 Rf1 59.Kd4 Kxg4 60.Kd5 Kf5 61.c7 Rd1+ 62.Kc6 Rc1+ 63.Kd7 Ke5 64.Re6+ Kf5 65.f7 1-0 

Had I realised that he'd written a book I might have been more circumspect in the opening, but as I don't have it I doubt it would have made much difference. Brief analysis: The opening is slightly better for white but black was well in the game until 17...c5, I simply missed 21.Qd3 which forces black into a lost endgame. After that white gives me chances I shouldn't have had, but my position was just too bad. Is this a line he gives in his book?
  
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Re: Play 1. d4!!
Reply #5 - 04/02/04 at 07:28:21
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Yes, I spotted that problem (Update: Sorry, it actually is covered, it's just not in the index of variations - look on page 241). However I suspect there is a reason why this is a rare move order at master level, it seems to allow a setup that white doesn't usually get to play, because black can normally hold d7-d5 back until white has committed himself to something else.
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 e6 3.c4 f5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bf4 (usually black could respond with some sort of d7-d6 setup to this move) 5...Be7 6.e3 c6 7.Bd3 0-0 8.Qc2 Ne4 9.g4! Na6 10.a3 Qa5 11.Ke2!
This is a variation in which white score tremendously well. 

But I have to admit that the large number of variations that Palliser recommends against the Dutch has slightly startled me. In particular I'm not at all sure about what I think about the 1.d4 d6 2.c4 f5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Nbd7 5.Qc2 line against the Dutch Leningrad, is it really particularly good or was it just a quick way of covering that line?
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Re: Play 1. d4!!
Reply #4 - 04/02/04 at 04:33:31
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I've had the book for about a week now, and it is great. I'm modelling my white repertoire after it.

One slight miss I've found in the book, is the chosen variations against the dutch. He chose first a 2.Nc3-variation, and then supplements it with a setup where white has played c4, because it can arise after the moveorder 1.d4 e6 2.c4 f5. His suggestion to that moveorder is a setup where white doesn't play Nf3.

Now... when we follow the recommendations in the book against the queens gambit declined, staying within the topic of this forum  Wink ,  we play the moveorder 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 and now black could play 3... f5 entering the dutch again. And now the two setups he suggests against the dutch cannot be used, as both c4 and Nf3 has been played, and it seems to be necessary for white to learn yet another setup against the dutch. And he doesn't mention that.
  
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Reply #3 - 03/31/04 at 09:22:48
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Oh, I just remembered that I have a good example of how good the book is. Two months ago I tried the line recommened against the Grünfeld in a simultaneous with GM Ftacnik, who is a well-known Grünfeld specialist. He chose a slightly dodgy seeming gambit, possibly trying to punish me in particular, because I explicitly asked him whether he'd play the Grünfeld before the game Wink, but I had read the relevant section in the book and was quite well prepared

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bg5 Ne4 6.cxd5 Nxg5 7.Nxg5 0-0 8.Nge4 c6 9.dxc6 Nxc6 10.e3 e5 11.d5 Ne7 12.Bc4 a6 13.a4 Bf5 14.0-0 Rc8 15.Bb3 Qb6 16.a5 Qa7 17.Ng3 Bd7 18.Qd2 Rfd8 19.Rfc1 b5 20.e4 Rc5 21.Na2 Nc8 22.Nb4 Bf8 23.Kh1 Rxc1+ 24.Rxc1 Bxb4 25.Qxb4 Qxf2 26.Qc3 Qf6 27.Rf1 Qd6 28.h4 Ne7 29.Qd2 Kg7 30.Qg5 Rf8 31.Nh5+ Kh8 32.Qh6 Rg8 33.Rxf7 1-0

Around move 20 I did give away the advantage I had in the opening, but my position was still okay. Eventually he blundered by playing 29...Kg7 and lost pretty much immediately.
  
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Reply #2 - 03/31/04 at 06:28:14
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I've been most impressed with the good coverage of most lines in this book, the only thing that I've discovered so far about which I'm not happy is the following line in the Chigorin:
1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.Nc3 e6 5.Bf4 Bxf3 6.gxf3 Bd6 7.Bg3 Nge7 8.e3 
For some reason Palliser doesn't look at  8...f5, which has been suggested by several people as an (relatively obvious) improvement over a Kraminik-Morozevich game. 

It just seems like all 1.d4 repetoire book authors don't look closely enough at the Chigorin lines that Morozevich plays. I wish he'd make a comment on how to get a nice comfortable position against that...
  
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