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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #72 - 08/13/05 at 08:31:53
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On the contrary.  If this were a website devoted exclusively to existing chess theory, then we wouldn't need to discuss anything and these threads would be rather dry.  By avoiding memorized moves allows for greater creative play earlier in the opening.  I suppose we can all go back to deciding what White's best 24th move is in some beaten-to-death variation of the Grunfeld, but I much prefer being out of book by move 6.

To discuss this on a website devoted to chess theory means we can actually be creative rather than draw from literature we have at hand.  This website is designed explicitly for this kind of discussion.  I'd rather build than re-iterate...
  

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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #71 - 08/12/05 at 23:07:21
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Not to put too fine a point on this, but this is a website devoted to the archania of specialized opening moves.  To recommend the Bird here because it avoids "memorized moves" seems .... well.... like a luddite recommending a  website. Tongue
  
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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #70 - 08/12/05 at 19:49:19
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The draw of the Bird for me is the ability to play chess from a very early stage instead of reeling out twenty memorized moves.  I'm not sure that the Bird offers White much in the way of advantage--though I think there is some--but the possibility definitely exists to outplay your opponent in a position you find more comfortable.

And I would disagree that the Bird is drab--the Dutch is one of the more dynamic openings against 1 d4 with Black.  I don't see how that would result in being boring with White...
  

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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #69 - 08/12/05 at 19:04:18
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My only guess as to why this thread is here is that in it's normal place there just isn't much interest.  Bird's Defense without imbuing it with the Nimzovich-Larsen ideas is a bit drab.  Yes, there's the From's Gambit, but that's relying on Black to shake things up.  I have played numerous games against the Bird and have always always been able to get a comfortable game out of the opening.   

The bummer is that I haven't been able to win all the games.  But then I've been outrated by up to 200 points and drawn as Black.  Hmm.  Maybe that's why the Bird isn't so popular???
  
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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #68 - 08/12/05 at 15:01:02
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I think the From's is probably the reason why the Bird's isn't more popular and in the game mentioned in the quote Black can significantly improve with 13...Bd7! instead of Kotronias' 13...Be6?!. After 13...Bd7! it is my considered opinion that White has to play very carefully just to maintain the balance.


My instinct is that the From is only a problem for the Bird insofar as many of its practitioners are looking for a relatively closed position out of the opening and the From opens everything up.  That said, I don't understand why TN would scoff at the King's Gambit, but then happily give up two central pawns for a flank pawn in the From!   Wink   

Moreover, I just don't think the From is very good for Black.  13 ... Bd7 is certainly an improvement on 13 ... Be6, but I don't see how White is in anymore trouble.  Black was simply lost of 13 ... Be6; after 13 ... Bd7, there's still plenty of play in the position, but I still think White has all the chances.

Incidentally, there are all kinds of transpositional possibilities here, many of which take the game off in a variety of directions.  Black can play 11 ... Bd7, which creates an altogether different kind of game...
  

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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #67 - 08/11/05 at 19:13:58
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1.f4 comes through 2 critical tests!

At the recent Gibraltar Masters tournament i was able to try the Birds at the highest level.

In round one i faced Kotronias (2585) and he replied with 1...e5 (From's Gambit). the game went:

2.fe d6 3.ed Bxd6 4.nf3 g5 5.g3 g4 6.Nh4 Ne7 7.d4 Nc6 8.c3 Ng6 9.Nxg6 hg 10.Qd3 Bf5 11.e4 Qe7 12.Bg2 0-0-0 
13.Be3! Be6 14.Bf2 with a clear advantage for White, although i was later outplayed.

Later, in Round 9 I was white against K.Georgiev (2652) and I again wheeled out 1.f4! I got a pleasant position in a Reverse Leningrad setup and eventually got a clear advantage in the middlegame. I then got over-ambitious and instead of forcing a drawn ending i went for an attack and over-pressed in time pressure.

Despite the 0/2 1.f4 held its own against 2 experienced GMs.

To see both games in full check out www.gibraltarchesscongress.com/gibchess/Gibmastersmainpage.htm


This thread prompted me to revisit the issue of the Bird's Attack/Defence and the From's in particular.

The Greek GM Kotronias is one of my favorite 1.e4 players, and quite coincidentally our repertoires are similar in many areas. I think the From's is probably the reason why the Bird's isn't more popular and in the game mentioned in the quote Black can significantly improve with 13...Bd7! instead of Kotronias' 13...Be6?!. After 13...Bd7! it is my considered opinion that White has to play very carefully just to maintain the balance.

Congrats to TomR on his IM norm, and I hope he continues to apprise us of his progress. 

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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #66 - 08/11/05 at 15:05:04
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The book won't be published until November, so I haven't seen it.  I'm almost sorry to see it, though, since I've always enjoyed working on the opening, and finding my opponents ill-prepared...
  

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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #65 - 08/11/05 at 13:22:15
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And why is this thread in a 1.d4 forum?

HgMan, what did you think of Taylor's book?  I'm thinking, it has absolutely got to be better than my 25-year-old book by Soltis, or that bad Chessbase CD.
  
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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #64 - 08/11/05 at 13:02:07
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regarding this bird's attack  Smiley, and more specifically the 1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Bg4... no one here suggested the 3.Ne5 Bf5 4.c4 dxc4 5.Na3. White seems to be slightly better in this position. Thoughts ?
  
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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #63 - 08/10/05 at 22:00:41
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Why is this thread entitled the Bird's Defence?

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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #62 - 08/10/05 at 08:07:27
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At the recent Gibraltar Masters tournament i was able to try the Birds at the highest level.

In round one i faced Kotronias (2585) and he replied with 1...e5 (From's Gambit). the game went:

2.fe d6 3.ed Bxd6 4.nf3 g5 5.g3 g4 6.Nh4 Ne7 7.d4 Nc6 8.c3 Ng6 9.Nxg6 hg 10.Qd3 Bf5 11.e4 Qe7 12.Bg2 0-0-0 
13.Be3! Be6 14.Bf2 with a clear advantage for White, although i was later outplayed.


Tom: after 14 ... f5 15 Nd2 Qf7 16 0-0-0 Bxa2, doesn't 17 e5 just win outright?  Easy for me to say this months after the fact, but I've been giving the From some attention recently, and I revisited your game.   

How can Black improve on Kotronias's play?
  

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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #61 - 02/22/05 at 07:57:10
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This just received from Everyman:


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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #60 - 02/18/05 at 18:38:53
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I don't know, I'm afraid. All I know is that Byron told me he commissioned it a few months ago, so I'm guessing it will be out about the turn of the year, all being well.
  
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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #59 - 02/17/05 at 09:53:37
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This is great news! Some further questions if you don't mind: When will it be released? how many pages? is it a white repertoire work or for both colors?
  
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Re: Why is the Birds Defence so unusual?
Reply #58 - 02/17/05 at 08:30:42
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Following my last post, I learn that Everyman are to bring out a book on the Bird's by American IM Tim Taylor. Should be interesting.
  
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