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Re: Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
Reply #14 - 12/06/07 at 17:07:05
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Thanks for this, Gerry. I was just wanting to know whether Glenn thought 5 ...Na6 could equalise -- interesting to know he doesn't think so.
  
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Re: Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
Reply #13 - 12/04/07 at 02:14:12
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Hello Michael:

Not sure what you are expecting.

Flear says that ...Na6 is solid but not very ambitious.  It and the Bronstein System (...Bg4) have surprise value he thinks but are not good enough to equalize. So he prefers 5...Bf5 - I think it's called the Dutch System due to it occurring in Euwe-Alekhine a lot.

Let me know if this is not what you want.

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Re: Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
Reply #12 - 12/03/07 at 12:54:22
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Gerry1970, I'd be interested to know what Flear says.
  
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Re: Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
Reply #11 - 12/01/07 at 03:43:37
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I like the idea of this opening containing a health warning.

I have rarely never* seen it played otb, and judging from my opponents who don't know my handle here, they know even less!  I rarely even face 6.e4!  In the post mortem I usually get the comment "I wanted to avoid your preparation" as the main reason for playing a sub-optimal sixth move as White.  

If ever there was a person who decided not to play critical lines for fear their opponent knew more, this should prove a great antidote!

*Except in my own games!
  
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Re: Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
Reply #10 - 11/28/07 at 01:34:49
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Hello All:

Sadler has 9 pages; Glenn Flear has 6 pages on it in the SO book.

Take care,

Gerry

HgMan wrote on 11/15/04 at 10:49:22:
Thanks!  I'd missed the Smyslov collection.  Burgess offers very little--it's a quick sideline (and "maybe deserves more attention"), but he doesn't spend much time on it.  Sadler's book devotes a chapter to it, and it seems as though the theory hasn't moved on too much since then...

I've only been fiddling with this line, but it offers some nice imbalances in the position that can upset the White player.

  
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Re: Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
Reply #9 - 11/25/07 at 02:53:57
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Hello,   
 
there was an article by Rogozenko in NIC yearbook 61 sometime back, claiming the line in the game Rogozenko-Shirov Bundesliga 2001 gives White an advantage: 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Na6 6. e4 Bg4 7. Bxc4 Bxf3 8. gxf3 e6 9. O-O Be7 10. Kh1 O-O 11. Rg1 g6 12. f4 Qa5 13. Qf3, White's idea being to delay development of White's dark-squared bishop for as long as possible to preserve flexibility (it may go to h6 in one go perhaps). Cox, who's typically very thorough, didn't seem aware of this nuance in his 1. d4 book, but okay this is a sideline so nobody cares.   Grin
 
If I were to play Black, I'd be tempted with the long- castling plan in Berkes-Zhang Pengxiang Taiyuan 2006: 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Na6 6. e4 Bg4 7. Bxc4 Bxf3 8.
gxf3 e6 9. Be3 Nb4 10. f4 Qa5 11. O-O O-O-O 12. Rc1 Kb8 13. Qf3 g6 14. Kh1 Be7
15. Rg1 Ne8 16. Rgd1 Nc7 17. Qg2 Rd7 18. Rd2 Rhd8 19. Rcd1 Na8 20. Qh3 Nb6 21.
Bb3 Qa6 22. f5 gxf5 23. exf5 Nc4 24. Bxc4 Qxc4 25. fxe6 fxe6 26. Qxh7 Bd6 27.
Qe4 Bxh2 28. d5 Rh8 29. Bxa7+ Ka8 30. Qxc4 Rg7 31. Rd4 Bf4# 0-1
 
Obviously this comes with a health warning..
  
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Re: Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
Reply #8 - 11/24/07 at 22:57:55
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Yes.  In my experience, it was the knight that always went to b4.  Black's dark-squared bishop was generally quite happy on e7.

I also seem to recall thinking that Sadler's Slav book provided better instruction on this line than did Burgess's...
  

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Re: Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
Reply #7 - 11/24/07 at 22:44:06
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 11/23/07 at 18:23:44:


Black can't occupy the b4 square with two pieces at the same time, so the Na6 remained a bystander as I sacked a pawn to gain an advantage in the center.  Interestingly, the Na6 itself later became a target and Black couldn't cover weaknesses on both sides of the board.  I don't think I created anything original in my game.  Rather, I simply followed the main recommendations and won in under 40 moves.



I agree it's a problem for Black that both Na6 and Bf8 want to go to b4. From what you're writing, it seems he put his bishop there. When I play this line as Black, I prefer to put my knight there. I'd never play 5...Na6 and let it stay there.
  
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Re: Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
Reply #6 - 11/23/07 at 18:23:44
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I know this will come as a surprise, but I've played both sides of this opening.
Cool

My own experience is that most players avoid the critical lines when I play the Black side and I get an easy game.  (In fact, I've never lost from the Black side in a serious game!)

The problem is that I've also never lost from the White side. I once played Matthew Ho (about 2200 FIDE) and won a comfortable game by playing 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 dc4 5.a4 Na6 6.e4! 

Black can't occupy the b4 square with two pieces at the same time, so the Na6 remained a bystander as I sacked a pawn to gain an advantage in the center.  Interestingly, the Na6 itself later became a target and Black couldn't cover weaknesses on both sides of the board.  I don't think I created anything original in my game.  Rather, I simply followed the main recommendations and won in under 40 moves.

To summarize, the Smyslov Variation is fun to play, especially against players who know the books but not the ideas.  It's miserable to play against someone who know how to play against it though.  If you do choose to play it, play it sparingly and choose your opponents wisely! 
  
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Re: Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
Reply #5 - 11/23/07 at 13:18:55
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Ah, the memories... (I scored my longest win (114 moves) in this line)

I use it occasionally as a surprise weapon, but it has been some time since last time I played it. My only source on it is Burgess, though, which is not really a good source on this line. So I'm afraid that didn't help you much, but at least, yes, I've been looking at it, although it has been some time.

If I remember correctly, the line that confused me the most was 6.e4 Bg4 7.Bxc4 e6 8.Be3 Nb4 9.0-0 Be7 10.h3 Bh5 (perhaps 10...Bxf3 11.Qxf3 Nc2 is worth a try, but 12.e5 looks unpleasant to me) 11.g4 Bg6 12.Nd2 followed by f4-f5. White almost never plays that way, but it seems to me that Black's g6 bishop is struggling a lot in these kind of lines. For example, 12...0-0 13.f4 c5 14.dxc5 Qc7 (Lobo-Ho 2003) and now what on the simple 15.Kg2 ?
  
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Re: Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
Reply #4 - 11/23/07 at 13:13:06
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How do you go on then ?
Both ...Nb4 and ...Bg4 don't seem to offer much, and ... Be6 runs into Ng5.
  
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Re: Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
Reply #3 - 11/23/07 at 01:04:22
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Refreshing an old thread:

I've always had a soft spot for this line; has anyone else been looking at this?  My brother will soon be visiting, and he is a devoted 1.d4 player, and I'd like to have a few surprises for him.

Any thoughts?
  

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Re: Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
Reply #2 - 11/15/04 at 10:49:22
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Thanks!  I'd missed the Smyslov collection.  Burgess offers very little--it's a quick sideline (and "maybe deserves more attention"), but he doesn't spend much time on it.  Sadler's book devotes a chapter to it, and it seems as though the theory hasn't moved on too much since then...

I've only been fiddling with this line, but it offers some nice imbalances in the position that can upset the White player.
  

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Reply #1 - 11/15/04 at 10:23:33
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Have been thinking of playing this. Only sources I know are Burgess general book on the Slav, and the 2nd volumne of Smyslov's games (recent hardback edition) has several well annotated games in this line.

Bye John S

  
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Smyslov Variation of the Slav (5...Na6)
11/09/04 at 14:08:14
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As a way of avoiding reams of theory, I've begun playing the Smyslov Variation of the Slav Defense (1 d4 d5 2 c4 c6 3 Nf3 Nf6 4 Nc3 dxc4 5 a4 Na6).  The knight has eyes on b4 and can be very effective tactically on that square since the a-pawn has been pushed forward.  I've noticed that a number of books claim that this idea is overlooked and fairly solid, but then they don't spend much time on it.  Does anyone play it with any frequency, and can they recommend where I should look for a good grounding?
  

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