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Re: f5 in the NI / QI ?
Reply #5 - 02/25/05 at 07:26:35
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by the way: if after Bd3 you overprotect Ne4 with d5, then - I suppose - you have transposed to the Dutch Stonewall, havent you?
  
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Re: f5 in the NI / QI ?
Reply #4 - 02/24/05 at 11:41:22
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I am really no expert on the Nimzoindian/Queensindian (I play the Dutch Leningrad too) but I fear a lot of White players below 2000 will simply exchange on e4 and then the position dont look like after very much kingsideattacking-prospects.
  
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Reply #3 - 02/24/05 at 03:29:42
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Well, an interesting idea, to play a Dutch, but start it as a Queensindian. 

This would keep all those maverick attackers away who bother me in my Dutch with moves like 
h4    
Nh3 
c3+Qb3 
0-0-0
2. e4 
2. Bg5 
2. Nc3
2. Nf3
  
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Re: f5 in the NI / QI ?
Reply #2 - 02/24/05 at 03:20:41
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Thanks for your answer, Mnb, its appreciated, but I cant follow your advice, as I cannot afford to allow White 2.e4 ! (of course, the likeliness that a d4-player will come up with 2.e4 is not very high, but what if...?)
And if I start it immediately as a Dutch with 1...f5, there is always the hassle of 2.Nc3, what seems nowadays already the most popular answer - beside there is 2.Bg5...
  
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Re: f5 in the NI / QI ?
Reply #1 - 02/23/05 at 21:15:26
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Why not turn it the other way round?
1.d4 e6 (or f5 first)
A) 2.c4 f5 3.g3 (3.Nc3 Nf6 and both Bb4 and b6 are common moves) Nf6 4.Bg2 Bb4+ 5.Nd2 (5.Bd2) o-o 6.Nf3 b6!? idea 7.Ne5 Ne4.
B) 2.Nf3 f5 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.o-o (5.c4 Bb4+) Nf6 6.c4
with the sort of setups you are looking for. In line B 7.d5 though is a serious threat.
  
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02/23/05 at 16:56:39
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I play since 2 years the Dutch (Leningrad variation) against d4.
I score fine with it and I like the positions, but honestly speaking I am sometimes concerned if I dont take too much risk with this opening (especially against lower rated players).

Before the Dutch I played the Nimzoindian/Queensindian, but the fight around the half-open/open c- and d-lines at some point bored me (kindside-play/center-play seemed more interesting to me).

Now I dabbled little bit around with the NI/QI again and found out by some database-study that there is a setup in the QI with f5 ! (Nf6 + e6 + b6 + Bb7 + Ne4 + f5...)

Looked not so boring at first view for me. What you think about a QI-setup (havent checked so far the NI) that includes f5?
  
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