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Re: KID vs. d-pawn specials
Reply #9 - 09/17/09 at 03:10:34
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Assuming you also play either the Pirc or the Modern against 1.e4 the solution is 1...d6; 2...g6; 3...Bg7; and if an annoying d-pawn special then 4...f5. Hey, I wrote exactly the same four and a half year ago!
  

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Reply #8 - 08/29/09 at 22:31:02
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How often do you get to the actual KID? I'm considering to start studying it instead of the Dutch but I don't know whether I like to play against these d-pawn specials.
  
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Re: KID vs. d-pawn specials
Reply #7 - 06/29/09 at 16:42:48
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Matemax wrote on 06/29/09 at 15:27:11:
Sandman wrote on 06/29/09 at 14:20:06:
I'd like to pose this same question before I get too deep in my study of the KID. What do KID players play against the annoying dpawn specials or even things such as 1.g4, 1.b4, etc? Do you continue in the KID format or do you leave your KID rep and play other things?  Undecided

Would it be better to play a dutch rep instead of a KID rep?  Shocked

Any help is appreciated.

There is still Gallagher "Beating the Anit-King's Indians" I refer to within the d-pawns-specials. Against 1.b4, 1.g4 and alike - well those are completely different openings whatever you like to play as Black.


Yelena Dembo's book is probably just a better choice. Her recommendations are very similar to Gallaghers, but updated, and more thorough, since she doesn't cover any pure KID lines in her book. Definitely recommended.
  
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Re: KID vs. d-pawn specials
Reply #6 - 06/29/09 at 16:23:44
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I'd like to pose this same question before I get too deep in my study of the KID. What do KID players play against the annoying dpawn specials or even things such as 1.g4, 1.b4, etc? Do you continue in the KID format or do you leave your KID rep and play other things?


Imagine you are a KID player. What would you do when your opponet don't want to get the space you are "gifting"? In that cases you should take it (the space of course). But as a guidance: 

* if you are not under some concrete presure in the center (1.b4) try to play e5 and f5 even before than Nf6.

* when your opponent forgets the center try to get it. If you can play e5 and d5 without major worries you should do it.

* against the Veresov, London, and Colles, try some kind of Grunfeld setup and try to force ...d5, ...c5 and ...e5. When the center is opened up then your fianchetoed bishops will rulez.

* against 1.g4 don't forget that h4 can't be controlled by pawns anymore.


  

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Re: KID vs. d-pawn specials
Reply #5 - 06/29/09 at 15:27:11
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Sandman wrote on 06/29/09 at 14:20:06:
I'd like to pose this same question before I get too deep in my study of the KID. What do KID players play against the annoying dpawn specials or even things such as 1.g4, 1.b4, etc? Do you continue in the KID format or do you leave your KID rep and play other things?  Undecided

Would it be better to play a dutch rep instead of a KID rep?  Shocked

Any help is appreciated.

There is still Gallagher "Beating the Anit-King's Indians" I refer to within the d-pawns-specials. Against 1.b4, 1.g4 and alike - well those are completely different openings whatever you like to play as Black.
  
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Re: KID vs. d-pawn specials
Reply #4 - 06/29/09 at 14:20:06
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I'd like to pose this same question before I get too deep in my study of the KID. What do KID players play against the annoying dpawn specials or even things such as 1.g4, 1.b4, etc? Do you continue in the KID format or do you leave your KID rep and play other things?  Undecided

Would it be better to play a dutch rep instead of a KID rep?  Shocked

Any help is appreciated.
  

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Re: KID vs. d-pawn specials
Reply #3 - 03/06/05 at 18:49:27
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MNb: Interesting transposition I hadn't considered--thank you.  This is all new ground to me.  I had imagined learning the Pirc in case of 1 d4 d6 2 e4.
  

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Re: KID vs. d-pawn specials
Reply #2 - 03/05/05 at 21:27:11
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It is not possible to reach a Grünfeld after 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 unless with a tempo down.
HgMan, what do you play after 1.d4 d6 2.e4?
Depending on the answer you might consider 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 g6 3...Bg7. This allows White to transpose to a Pirc, but it offers Black the choice of eventually 4...f5. Against boring White setups the Leningrad is more interesting than the KID.
  

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Re: KID vs. d-pawn specials
Reply #1 - 03/04/05 at 23:07:24
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From my limited experience the variations without c4 are the most annoying. Just a week ago one of my team mates got tricked into a pirc that way.
But if you know a little bit about the grunfeld, then d5 followed by a later c5 will get you the better play
  

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KID vs. d-pawn specials
03/03/05 at 22:09:59
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I want to adopt Yrjola & Tella's proposed repertoire in An Explosive Chess Opening Repertoire for Black against 1 d4 (which consists of 1 ... d6), but I don't like their plan against 1 d4 d6 2 Nf3, which is 2 ... Bg4.  Nothing wrong with the move, just not my bag.  Can Black aim for a KID set up against White's plans that don't involve c4?  What are the potential strengths and weaknesses of the KID in these situations?  This constitutes a major leap of faith on my part--the KID may just about the sole response to 1 d4 that I've never played, even though I've been torn up by it by my brother-in-law than any other opening...
  

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