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Reply #18 - 05/04/05 at 23:26:04
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need trainer for my im push any interest
  
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Reply #17 - 05/04/05 at 18:32:03
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Fernando: I do not feel that now I know so much about the 10...Qa5 lines. I do not remember when I worked on them for the last time. Here, as I saw, was a very long discussion about 12.h4, 13.g4. Of course, 12.Kb1, 13.h4 is also a problem. And recently there were discussions about 12.Kb1, 13.Bg5 (TWIC Theory, etc). I just wonder if people now really consider 10...Qa5 to be so hopeless.

About Sozin: thank you. It was a big work. I hardly will repeat something like this. The content is highly transpositional, what creates serious difficulties for author (and also for the readers of course).
  
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Reply #16 - 05/04/05 at 18:18:35
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fernando you rock, could not of quoted better lines??? black is in trouble here but of course I never play this except beating casella once but he made mistakes.
  
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Re: Old dragon lines
Reply #15 - 05/04/05 at 17:57:27
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I remember that it was a long discussion here, but I did not follow everything. 
10.h4 Qa5 11.0-0-0 Rfc8 12.Bb3 Ne5 13.g4 and now 13...b5 14.h5 b4 - was it refuted as well? What was a verdict?



Mikhail:

First of all thanks a lot for your wonderful book on the Sozin.

As regards to the verdict, I think nothing was definitely posted but Dearing's book gives a convincing line after 15.Nce2 Nc4 16.Bc4 Rc4 17.Kb1 Rac8 18.hg6 (18.Rc1 Bg4 was my game with Prada, I believe white is better there too, although position is complex) fg6 19.Rc1 (Nf4 is not so good IMHO) Even though Dearing quotes a Rogozenko analysis of 19...Qe5, after the line he gives ending with 23.Nf4 things don't look so good for black, but of course no practical tests.

15.Nd5 seems to be a concern too....


I lost interest when the 12.Kb1, 13.g4  14.h4 line with Nb3 Qc7, and now instead of 17.h5? Bg4 as given by Ward in WWTD2 was convincingly busted with 17.e5. This all looks depressing.

I feel as you know all this inside out, but then, why ask?

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Reply #14 - 05/04/05 at 10:02:20
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no kidding westerinenen play nd4, nf6 f3 against me. last year e4,c5 nf3 d6 c3 three. all i see is closed sicilioans grand prix and c3 fortunately I score big against this. I think people would do better to prepare n challenge me in main lines. I certainly do that, with the im norm on the line I played modern benoni for the first time in years. stay sharp play main lines if u want to score. It has transformed my game thanks to kaidanov. my trainer.
  
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Reply #13 - 05/04/05 at 09:29:33
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Good luck in those upcoming tournaments Eric, I hope hope you make the norms and I eagerly look forward to seeing some of your Dragon battles.  Grin

That is if your opponent allows it, as Chris Ward once said many Yugoslav Attack players are all talk but no trousers. Translation many Yugoslav Attack players chicken out at the board.

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Reply #12 - 05/04/05 at 09:08:40
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Also read dearing carefully there are great hints in the sublines he knows what he is talking about you can work out the rest. Set up a board burn the oil pay the price fritz does noit have all the answers but fritz 3d is truly more helpful for dragon for some bizarre reason.
  
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Reply #11 - 05/04/05 at 09:07:52
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1.e4 c5 2. nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nd4 nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.be3 bg7 7. f3 0-0 8. qd2 nc6 9.bc4 bd7 10. 0-0-0 rc8 11. Bb3 Ne5 12. h4 Nc4 13. bxc4 rxc4 15. h5 Nxh5 15. g4  Nf6 16. kb1! after that move white has very good results.
It looks like it's the only critical move. I will post my results  as soon as possible.
  
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Reply #10 - 05/04/05 at 09:06:28
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Listen I do not want to give away all my secrets as 
I am doing the im push now see my gausdal resut but I now realize I must play multiple lines against bc4 and use move order to get favorable positions meaning a different line for early g4, early h4 avoid kb1 against rc8 using move order. I do not want to sound cryptic but if you check my games in the next 3 months (4 round robins coming it will be apparent . For guys like madhacker you probably understand the message but if not send me a direct email. good luck study soltis, chinese dragon topalov and old rc8 use move order to get your choice and of course improvment lurk for all lines. I am not touting my horn and chris can confirm that I have multiple tns I have shown them to him.eric
  
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Reply #9 - 05/04/05 at 08:42:52
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OK, refuted is a bit strong - but the Soltis is clearly looking better than it at the moment, and it's under quite a lot of pressure. Other than that, I agree with you about the conceptual grasp - and like you say, looking at the critical stuff first is the most logical way to approach opening theory.
  
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Re: Old dragon lines
Reply #8 - 05/03/05 at 22:41:40
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MadHacker the Qa5 line is certainly not refuted, far from it  Grin

Studying the critcal lines first is simply a logical approach, but in the end you have to study all of it. Only by knowing what went before will equip you to find useful novelties in the future. Its all part and parcel of mastering the ins and outs of an opening and getting an intuitive feel for it, rather than simply waiting for the latest master game to be played so you can copy it in the hopes that the stem game hasn't reached your opponents database yet.

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Re: Old dragon lines
Reply #7 - 05/03/05 at 18:58:00
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I remember that it was a long discussion here, but I did not follow everything. 
10.h4 Qa5 11.0-0-0 Rfc8 12.Bb3 Ne5 13.g4 and now 13...b5 14.h5 b4 - was it refuted as well? What was a verdict?
  
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Re: Old dragon lines
Reply #6 - 05/03/05 at 12:26:50
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Agreed - unless the inferior lines are important to helping you understand a Dragon concept, looking at the critical lines is much more productive, since the inferior stuff isn't what's going to refute the line. Take the ...Qa5 stuff in the Yugoslav, for instance - looking at all the lines that Black is OK in doesn't help you much when he's getting smashed in the h4/g4 lines. Saves a lot of time.
  
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Reply #5 - 05/03/05 at 07:43:33
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In dragon always study critical lines first if not happy then you mioght want to look at another line. rc8 line has been under pressure for a while but please post what u think is critical and maybe I can save u some time happy to share ideas.
  
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Reply #4 - 05/02/05 at 17:02:48
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o.k Bh6 is a mistake but  for sure  it can be very hard to refute it OTB!!   
i will analyze the most critical variation at the end when i will be done with the inferiors ones
  
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