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Re: KID- Nbd7 variation
Reply #5 - 10/27/05 at 21:06:29
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Instead of 8...c6 or 8...Re8 Black can also play 8...Ng4 9.Bg5 f6 at once. This leaves the choice open for one move yet.
  
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Re: KID- Nbd7 variation
Reply #4 - 10/25/05 at 15:13:22
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Well it seems to me that a lot of people with older books on the Kings Indian might play this way. I my self started playing the Kings Indian in that fashion as the only reference i had was Some games from Bronstien from MGP. Even after getting starting out the kings indian i still play in this fashion quite often. Why? because i am more familiar with the games of the old guys and even if its not best it certainly is not bad. 

Im not sure what the stats are theses days on this variation but im not sure i would beleive them to be largley in whites favour.
  
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Re: KID- Nbd7 variation
Reply #3 - 06/05/05 at 08:54:18
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I'm quite new to the KID, so I'm not terribly familiar with these lines, but I wonder if 11 ... g5 expands Black's attack on the kingside, or whether it's just weakening.  It seems quite rare, but it looks provocative.

All in all, I prefer 7 Nc6...
  
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Re: KID- Nbd7 variation
Reply #2 - 06/03/05 at 11:31:37
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this 8....Re8 looks interesting and games are really good but what if white instead of 11.Bd2 (after this I think black is ok especially after Nf8 as position becomes really complicated but seems good for black in every variation) plays 11.Bh4 as it seems to me that after 11...Nf8 12.Nd2 Nh6 13.f3 Nf7 14.b4 Bh6 15. Bf2 f5 16.c5 is a lot better for white as in game Gligorič-Geller Monte Carlo 1967. Even 11... Nh6 12.Nd2 Nf7 13.f3 Bh6 14.Bf2 c6 15.dxc6 and after some preparatory work white manages to successfully throw in the c5 move with great pressure and even black losses material as in Nikoloff-I.Ivanov Canada 1986.

It seems to me that 8...c6 really is the best but still I aint totally satisfied with it so if somebody has any improvements or good variations in store he is welcome to make suggestions.

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Re: KID- Nbd7 variation
Reply #1 - 05/29/05 at 19:53:51
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You might try 8 ... Re8, but I'm not sure this is necessarily any better than 8 ... c6.  The Bologan game below looks pretty persuasive, but I suspect that White can pose problems for Black with 10 Bg5 instead of 10 Bd2, after which 10 ... f6 11 Bd2 Nh6 12 Qc2 leaves me wishing that my rook was on f8 and not e8.  Indeed, Qc2 looks like it poses problems for Black's plans to push for ... f5, after 8 ... Re8.  For another game in this line, see Zakharstov-Yanvarjov below.

Personally, I prefer 7 ... Nc6, which invariably leads to sharper play...

[Event "RUS Fed Internet Cup Final 5'"]
[Date "2004.12.28"]
[White "Shipov,Sergei"]
[Black "Bologan,Viktor"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.Be3 Nbd7 8.0-0 Re8 9.d5 Ng4 10.Bd2 a5 11.Ne1 Nh6 12.Nd3 f5 13.exf5 Nxf5 14.Ne4 Nf6 15.Bg5 Nd4 16.Bxf6 Bxf6 17.Bg4 Bf5 18.f3 Bg7 19.Ndf2 h5 20.Bh3 Bh6 21.Re1 Rf8 22.b3 b6 23.Ng3 Qh4 24.Nxf5 gxf5 25.g3 Qf6 26.Qd3 Kh8 27.Rf1 Rg8 28.Kh1 Raf8 29.Rad1 Bg5 30.f4 Bh6 31.Bg2 Bg7 32.fxe5 dxe5 33.Rde1 e4 34.Qd1 Qh6 35.Nh3 Be5 36.Nf4 h4 37.Ne6 hxg3 38.h3 Nxe6 39.dxe6 Rg7 40.Qd5 Bc3 41.Rxf5 Rxf5 42.Qxf5 Rg5 43.Qxe4 Re5 44.Qxe5+ Bxe5 45.e7 Qe6 46.e8=Q+ Qxe8 47.Bd5 Qh5 48.Kg2 Qg5 49.Re4 Qd2+ 50.Kf3 Qf2+ 51.Kg4 g2 52.Rxe5 g1=Q+ 53.Kh5 Qff1 54.Re8+ Kg7 55.Re7+ Kf6 56.Re6+ Kf5 57.Kh6 Qg5+ 58.Kh7 Qxh3+ 59.Rh6 Qhxh6+ 0-1

[Event "RUS-chT clubs 1L"]
[Date "2000.??.??"]
[White "Zakharstov,Viacheslav V"]
[Black "Yanvarjov,Igor"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.0-0 Nbd7 8.Be3 Re8 9.d5 Ng4 10.Bg5 f6 11.Bd2 Nh6 12.Qc2 a5 13.a3 Nf8 14.b4 Qe7 15.Rac1 g5 16.c5 axb4 17.axb4 Ng6 18.Nb5 g4 19.Ne1 Rd8 20.Be3 Nf4 21.cxd6 cxd6 22.Bb6 Rf8 23.Nc7 Ra4 24.Nd3 Nxe2+ 25.Qxe2 f5 26.f3 gxf3 27.gxf3 fxe4 28.fxe4 Rxf1+ 29.Rxf1 Bh3 30.Re1 Ra3 31.Kh1 Bg4 32.Qe3 Qf7 33.Kg2 Qg6 34.Kh1 Nf5 35.exf5 Bxf5 36.Qg3 Rxd3 37.Qxg6 hxg6 38.Kg2 Bh6 39.Ne8 Rd2+ 40.Kg1 Bf4 41.Bf2 b5 42.Bg3 Bxg3 43.hxg3 Rd4 44.Nxd6 Rxd5 45.Ne8 Rd4 46.Rxe5 Rxb4 47.Nd6 Bd3 48.Kf2 Kg7 49.Ke3 Kf6 50.Rd5 Bf1 51.Ne8+ Ke6 52.Nc7+ Ke7 53.Rd1 Bc4 54.Nd5+ Bxd5 55.Rxd5 Kf6 56.Kf3 g5 57.g4 Rf4+ 58.Kg3 b4 59.Rb5 Rc4 60.Kf3 Rf4+ 61.Kg3 Rd4 62.Kf3 Rc4 63.Rf5+ Kg6 64.Rb5 Rf4+ 65.Kg3 Kf6 66.Rb6+ Ke5 67.Rb5+Kd6 68.Rxg5 Rd4 69.Rb5 Kc6 70.Rb8 Kc5 71.Kh4 Kc4 72.Kh5 b3 73.g5 Kc3 1/2-1/2

  
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KID- Nbd7 variation
05/28/05 at 11:59:18
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Could you please give your opinions on the main variation of the Nbd7 variation.

Which variation do you prefer after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.0-0 Nbd7 8.Be3

I looked at c6 but to me it seemed a little passive especially the main variations(9.d5 c5 10.Ne1 Ne8 11.g4). What is the current state of theory? Is 8...Ng4 9.Bg5 f6 more active or what variaton do you suggest.

THX for answers.
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