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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #15 - 07/04/05 at 10:04:26
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Well I always have faith in my preparation. So in the the event of rare moves, usually will go into "punishment-mode". 
First, will start asking myself what were the aims of the move in the main line, and then will try to "take advantage" of the fact that my opponent didn't make the move he was supposed to.  Grin
  
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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #14 - 07/04/05 at 07:04:31
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For me it depends on the type of move and position. In a open position I'd play as agressive as possible as I noticed that people who usually play those kind of moves like 2..f5 often dont like to defend and also often have bad memories for remembering tactical lines which will follow. They often just remember the moves and are stuck when you dont play exactly as they remember.
If it is a less logical move such as Nc6 in a french structure I just play similar to what I would normally do and try to find a way to exploit the move, which is not always possible. For example the Bird defense in the Ruy still exists.
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #13 - 07/03/05 at 19:27:15
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It does not happen to often  Wink, but this time I fully agree with TopNotch. Blessed with a very bad memory, I never had another option but following the path as described by him.
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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #12 - 07/03/05 at 16:25:03
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How you react to rare moves or novelties in the Opening, depends heavily on how one studies Openings in the first place. Grin

Some amateurs choose to memorise their Openings by rote, and such a superficial approach tends to let one down when faced with an uncommon or not well known move. 

I have stressed many times that aspiring players must strive to understand thoroughly the themes and ideas behind the Openings they play, as only in this way will they be better equipped to successfully deal with a new idea or move over the board. It is also indespensible to understand fully the rudiments of what is considered sound Opening play, such as: Control of the Center; Not moving the same piece twice; Developing all of your pieces; King Safety; Don't bring your Queen out too early; Don't go pawn hunting; Connect the rooks; Knights before Bishops; etc etc etc

Once one has a firm grasp of the rudiments of good Opening play, the next thing an aspiring player quickly realises is that these rules though sound in general are not meant to be followed blindly or dogmatically. That is to say that through experience your judgement should devlop to the point that one knows when some of these Opening postulates can be bent and sometimes broken.

The great Cuban Jose Capablanca once challenged the rule of moving the same piece twice in the Opening, by stating that it was fine to do so, provided that the move carried a strong enough threat. This is one of the various dilemmas an aspiring player is faced with on his journey towards master level.  

A non chess player once asked me "What is the fundamental difference between two players once they have reached master level" his point being that surely every master understands fully the tenants of good Opening, Middle and Endgame play, so how is it then that one master can be so much stronger than another? My answer was that among other things, a chess battle between two masters often does not revolve around good ideas verses bad ideas but rather good ideas verses better ones.

In summary, seek to understand the Openings you play rather than memorise them and you should be able to better cope with surprises at the board.

Tops  Grin

 
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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #11 - 07/02/05 at 23:29:03
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MNb, I like the positions I get after d4-d3, maybe they objectivly not great, but my results were fine so far. However, your Qe7 idea seems interesting and quite good for black, so I might give it a try some time, thanks.
  
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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #10 - 07/02/05 at 09:59:18
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I would second the recommendation of John Emms's book.  He has very quietly become one of my favorite chess authors.  I'm trying to think of a book of his I haven't like.  He stresses clarity and explanation, and at the same time doesn't skimp on quality analysis and ideas...

And these Danish lines look very interesting.  I'll have to give these a look...
  

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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #9 - 07/02/05 at 09:45:19
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If you are a better attacker than defender, then 1.e4 e5 2.f4 Bc5, 2.d4 exd4 3.c3 d3?! and 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.c3 d3?! is definitely not the way to go. As a White gambiteer I rejoiced meeting these three defences.

I suggest to buy Emms' The open games for Black. Studying it will pay off. In addition I will give three interesting lines against the Danish/Göring complex:
2.d4 exd4 3.c3 Qe7!? (good, but unknown; White also will be on unfamiliar ground)
2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.c3 Nf6 5.e5 Ne4!? which can also be reached via 3.c3 (Ponziani) Nf6 4.d4 exd4 5.e5 Ne4.
If this is too risky to your taste, then Black has the solid 2.d4 exd4 3.c3 Ne7!? 4.cxd4 d5 and 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.c3 Ne7!? 5.cxd4 d5.
In more than 10 years of Danish practice as White I have never met these three very playable variations.
  

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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #8 - 07/01/05 at 15:57:51
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bravehoptoad, that's pretty much what I do, maybe for a different reason, it ends up being the same. I always decline gambits. I play 1. e4e5 2.Nf3Nc6 3. d4 exd 4.c3d3!? and 1. e4c5 2.d4cxd 3. c3 d3!? 

I am a better attacker than a defender, so I try to reduce my oponent's attacking chances as much as possible. Also declining a gambit reduces possiblity of falling into the trap. So I kill two birds with one stone here. Except for the objectivety part, of course.
  
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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #7 - 07/01/05 at 12:37:29
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All I want out of the opening is a chance to win the game.  Equality is fine by me--what I really want is my kind of game, one I'll feel comfortable carrying into the middle game.

So when someone springs a rare move on me, I don't spend time looking how to punish the move, even when I know a punishment is probably there.  Instead, I spend time trying to get my kind of game.  If I get it, then I figure I've "won" the opening, regardless of whether or not the objective assessment is "=".   

This is a much less stressful way to deal with rare moves, I think.

It's also fun to flip that idea, and play what you think will by psychologically most uncomfrotable for the other guy.  "Hmm, this guy wants to sacrifice a pawn on f3 to get a wide-open slam bang game.  I know these Blackmar things aren't that sound, but what if I just push that pawn e4-e3 and clog the whole game up?"  Not the strongest objective response, but hopefully frustrating for the gambiteer.   

I like declining gambits.  If I accept the pawn, *that's what the other guy wants me to do*.  I'm playing his game.  Screw that.  2...Bc5 in the King's Gambit is clearly the way to go, even if it's not objectively the best move.
  
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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #6 - 07/01/05 at 10:51:00
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I think this can only happen if you have a move-repertoire, instead of a strategy-repertoire.


Against many rare moves, the same strategy that works in main line and 90% of other moves in that line won't work, that's why people would play that. Maybe I am missing your point, though...

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In the lattter case you will know where the novelty fails to meet the demands of the position (although this may take some time..)


I guess, if I had seen this, I wouldn't have any problems Grin. The hard part is seeing that, and it might look like you see it, but that's a trap!
  
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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #5 - 07/01/05 at 09:38:13
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I think this can only happen if you have a move-repertoire, instead of a strategy-repertoire. In the lattter case you will know where the novelty fails to meet the demands of the position (although this may take some time..)


This is an important point!  The lone catch here is to make sure that there aren't any move-order tricks that might take you in the wrong direction in your strategy-based repertoire...
  

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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #4 - 07/01/05 at 07:04:00
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At my level, every move is a rare/novelty 8)
  
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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #3 - 07/01/05 at 02:54:58
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I think this can only happen if you have a move-repertoire, instead of a strategy-repertoire. In the lattter case you will know where the novelty fails to meet the demands of the position (although this may take some time..)
  
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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #2 - 06/30/05 at 23:04:42
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Thanks for the reply,

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your opponent has just given you an excuse to start playing chess, jump on it!
I like this way of thinking!

Unfortunately, I have some kind of paranoja about walking in into somebody's opening trap. It's like losing to somebody who hasn't even thought at the board for a minute. 

I suppose it's where this comes in Quote:
I figure that either a) I will win an easy point, or b) learn a valuable lesson.  Either way, I win.
  
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Re: How to react to a novelty/rare move?
Reply #1 - 06/29/05 at 22:29:53
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Well, 

This is a good general question.  Unfortunately, it requires a good general answer.  When I'm playing, and my opponent makes an unexpected move I sit on my hands.  Ok, sometimes I get up and walk around for a couple of minutes, but you get my drift.   

In a standard game (say 40/120 minutes), I will likely burn at least ten minutes deciding on a concrete way to continue.  If I see a way to bust the move, I'll play it.  I figure that either a) I will win an easy point, or b) learn a valuable lesson.  Either way, I win.   Smiley

If I don't see the point of the move, I look for ways to seize the initiative.  (Is that really how seize is spelled?)  Then again, I do that for every move.  I guess my general response is this:  your opponent has just given you an excuse to start playing chess, jump on it! Cheesy   I hope this helps.
  
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