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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #9 - 08/19/05 at 12:09:00
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If you're going to play the Morra you have to play the all or nothing line: 3 c3 dxc3 4 Bc4 cxb2 5 Bxb2.
  
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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #8 - 08/17/05 at 17:38:20
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Yes I agree with you MNb, that ..d5 declination is less flexible than ..d5 in the c3 sicilian for the reasons you gave. But if we compare 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 Nf6 4.e5 Nd5 and 1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5, after Smith-Morra move order it's White who have commited with d4 because after 1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 White can delay d4 for somes moves with Nf3 which is a common choice in the c3 sicilian.

So, if you play Nd5 against sicilian c3, just play it against the Morra gambit if you don't know how to play against it, but if you think you are able to counter it, just take the pawn on c3 Smiley

I don't think the White player is as much happy here than on the Morra gambit accepted, but he still can play in an attacking style with (=), so he should not be too sad either.
  
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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #7 - 08/17/05 at 16:30:03
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It is even worse: Black can steer the game in Panov channels with 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 g6!? 4.cxd5 d5 as 5.e5 is not really appealing. At the other hand 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 d5 is not so reliable, as 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.cxd4 gives White the opportunity to play the knight to c3. This can transpose to the Steinitz Variation of the QGA or the Semi-Tarrasch. Still White has to know all this stuff, of course.
  

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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #6 - 08/17/05 at 15:40:31
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Black can try to accept the gambit if he really knows how to counter it, but every sicilian player have something to play agaist 1.e4 c5 2.c3 where generally the main lines 2..d5 and 2..Nf6 transpose with 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 d5 and 3..Nf6

Personnaly, I am generally happy to transpose with 3..Nf6 which is my same defense than after 2.c3

So for the White player, he have to know how to respond to every Black formation after the gambit accepted and the siberian trap, + the main theory of the sicilian c3 if Black declines with 3..d5 or 3..Nf6

If most of people respond with 3..Nf6, White should play sicilian c3 which is less commiting and have less theory to learn than smith morra accepted+c3 sicilian.

To summary : The smith morra gambit accepted is interesting and unclear, able to kill an unprepared opponent and surely playable, but the problem is that 3..Nf6 transpose to the main defense against sicilian c3.
  
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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #5 - 08/16/05 at 13:02:27
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I would say that to use the Smith-Morra as anything more than the occasional surprise, it probably requires more study than the open Sicilian. However it requires less ongoing study as the theory is not rapidly evolving.



Well, I respect your view, but it is difficult for me to imagine that anything requires more study than the Open Sicilian, with its teeming systems and its unresolved complexities.  Perhaps if White always plays an early g3 or something, not so much study is required.  But if White is playing "power chess," he has his book and analytical work cut out for him.

  

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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #4 - 08/15/05 at 18:27:07
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My experience was the complete opposite, I found that once you started to study it and familiarised yourself with all the Opening tricks and tactics, that it was White and not  Black that had a number of problems to solve. Chief among them being a pawn down for nebulous compensation.

What black must resist though, is the temptation to relax once the first wave of White's initiative has been neutralised. If Black does not relax he has every reason to look forward to hauling in the full point.

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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #3 - 08/15/05 at 14:22:58
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I learned, that Black has even a wider choice than in the Open Sicilian ...




That is the problem I find with it. Black has a number of options to prepare a variety defences because White almost always has the same setup with Nf3, Bc4, 0-0, Qe2 and Re1. The order of the moves may change depending on what Black does.

Therefore Black players need only prepare one defence to the Smith-Morra (most popular seem to involve ...a6 often with ...Qc7) whereas White needs to be prepared for a number of possible set-ups by Black.

There are lots of tricky traps and tactics. Black only has to be aware of the dangers in the systems he chooses. White needs to be aware of tricks in all possible Black choices.

Most S-M players, for example, fall into the Siberian Trap the first time they see it. Of course once you've seen it, it is easily refutable. But it is the breadth of knowledge required by White that lends the S-M to a lot of required study. (Curiously most Morra players choose the opening to avoid studying because the first moves are almost always the same and/or many Black players get surprised and err early in the opening giving White the illusion that he knows what he is doing Wink

I would say that to use the Smith-Morra as anything more than the occasional surprise, it probably requires more study than the open Sicilian. However it requires less ongoing study as the theory is not rapidly evolving.

Once you start to study it you will find that after getting past all the opening tricks and tactics, Black still has a number of positional problems to solve. 

It's not as simple as avoiding mate in the first nine moves, simplifying, then queening your extra pawn.

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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #2 - 08/11/05 at 20:41:41
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I have played the Morra-Smith Gambit for about ten years, initially with success. But then my opponents started to outprepare me. I learned, that Black has even a wider choice than in the Open Sicilian ...
I would say: as long as you have fun with it, play it. As soon your fear will come true, it is time to look for something else.
  

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Re: Smith-Morra
Reply #1 - 08/11/05 at 20:27:23
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Have fun my friend, for the Morra is a fun Opening. Is it fully sound, my opinion is no, but as a surprise weapon it has a certain kick. Grin

I will go out on a limb and suggest what I believe to be an effective and reliable antidote to the Smith-Morra Gambit: 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6
6.Bc4 a6! Interesting is also 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nc3 e6 5.Nf3 a6 6.Bc4 Qc7 7.Qe2 Nc6 8.0-0 Bd6!? This rare second line maybe of particular interest to e6 Sicilian players facing the delayed Morra 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cd4 4.c3.

The systems listed above are my own preferences, but there are many more systems touted in the books as the way to tackle the Morra, and sadly a recent Anti-Sicilian book actually recommended avoiding it altogether by transposing to the Alapin?!, what nonsense! Surely the Alapin is more dangerous than the Morra, isn't it?  

Here is the seminal game of the proposed system against perhaps the Gambit's most devout advocate, the late Ken Smith: 

[Event "?"]
[Site "San Antonio"]
[Date "1972.??.??"]
[White "Smith,Kenneth"]
[Black "Evans,Larry M"]
[Round "9"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B21"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3
d6 6. Bc4 a6 7. O-O Nf6 8. Bg5 e6 9. Qe2 h6 10. Bh4 g5 11. Bg3 Nh5 12. Rfd1 Nxg3 13. hxg3 g4 14. Ne1 Ne5 15. Bb3 h5 16. Nd3 Bg7 17. Nf4 h4 18. Qd2 hxg3 19. fxg3 Qb6+ 20. Kf1 Bd7 21. Rac1 Rd8 22. Ke2 Nf3 23. Qd3 Nd4+ 24. Kd2 Nxb3+ 25. axb3 Qf2+ 26. Nce2 Bb5 27. Qe3 Qxe3+ 28. Kxe3 e5 29. Nd5 Bh6+ 30. Kf2 Bxc1 31. Rxc1 Bc6 32. Nec3 Kd7 33. Nf6+Ke6 34. Nxg4 f5 35. exf5+ Kxf5 36. Ne3+ Ke6 37. g4 d5 38. Ne2 d4 39. Nc4 Rdg8 40. Kg3 Rg5  0-1

A very instructive game.

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« Last Edit: 08/11/05 at 21:50:25 by TopNotch »  

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Smith-Morra
08/11/05 at 19:05:19
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I started looking at this fun line a while back
My results are continuing to improve and thank you to all who helped me out. But i was thinking that this opening is sound! I know some people think thats a crazy statement but i think black has to show he knows his stuff. Most pepole dont have anything prepared for it . Does any one disagree with my last statement. I mean how often does any one see the smithmorra anymore. This weapon is awaiting a hero and i think some one at the gm level needs to pick it up. I know they couldnt play it at every tourney but they could use it off and on. So as to limit the home preparation. The only thing i fear is that i will get a reputation as a smith-morra man and people will start preparing for me. Any one have any advice to stay current on not so current opening. I love it so far and i would like to continue with it.
  
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