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Reply #13 - 09/07/05 at 12:47:25
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As a Bg5 player when im not playing the smith morra i am also interested in a veterans ideas.
  
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Re: 6.Bg5 or English Attack a/g najdorf
Reply #12 - 09/07/05 at 00:22:57
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I am prepared to give you a quick summary of lines to be studied (an awful lot) and general guidelines. I have looked through the e-books here and are... well lets leave it at somewhat superficial.

Again, I am prepared to expand on any of the topics if interested...

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That would be most helpful. I will be looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks very much for the kind offer.
  

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Re: 6.Bg5 or English Attack a/g najdorf
Reply #11 - 09/07/05 at 00:06:41
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I am very interested Fernado. If you are willing to share your experience with me it would be greatly appreciated.
  
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Re: 6.Bg5 or English Attack a/g najdorf
Reply #10 - 09/05/05 at 14:46:29
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I have played 6.Bg5 for over thirty years now, winning my first serious tournament game as an 11 year old...


Over the years I have found that people have improved a lot in defensive skills, and knowing a lot more about endgames I am appalled at what I do to my position...

Problem is, none of the alternatives is too hot. 6.Be3 is easier to play and much less risky, but you don't have the number of quick wins with 6.Bg5. But quick victories always come at a prize, which basically is burning your boats as Cortes did.

I am prepared to give you a quick summary of lines to be studied (an awful lot) and general guidelines. I have looked through the e-books here and are... well lets leave it at somewhat superficial.

Best books are Nunn's for 6.Bg5 and Sammalvuo's English Attack. A lot of Nunn's still holds today, even if some minor discoveries have to be found elsewhere. 

Experts vs the Sicilian assumes you have  a lot of knowledge (luther playing the line for 20+ years), and it is incredibly sketchy. Obviously just the lines recommended could have filled a whole book!

Again, I am prepared to expand on any of the topics if interested...

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Reply #9 - 08/28/05 at 21:40:40
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I like Bg5 a lot my self. It is common to sacrifice material to open up the king. It also forces black to play e6 which is a nice thing already. The rapid mobility of the pieces and afer 0-0-0 the attack is easy to see. The thoery is big and i mean massive but to those who take the time to learn it it can be very rewarding. So if you like the yugoslav vs the dragon the english attack is very similar and the only real difference is the pawn storm takes a little longer to come into fruition because you dont have that g pawn to latch on too.
  
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Re: 6.Bg5 or English Attack a/g najdorf
Reply #8 - 08/17/05 at 20:25:08
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Yummy.


Arkhein and Toppy, as usual, have offered some really good general comments.  Just be careful; you don't want to serve a twenty year old Paulliac with balsamic vinagriette salad, fries and a Burger.  (Robert Parker recommends a beer with hamburger.)

In other words, don't go mixing your systems, you'll get something that will look, taste, and smell awful.
  
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Re: 6.Bg5 or English Attack a/g najdorf
Reply #7 - 08/17/05 at 16:00:38
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Iam a Najdorf player (and kan), and e4 player too (and BDG)and my favourite move against the Najdorf is the Fischer Attack with 6.Bc4 which is also for attacking player. This setup is also good against 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bc4 (Sozin Attack) and against the Scheveningen (not that good here)

Short-Kasparov Wch match ;a beautiful Topalov-Kasparov game, Kasparov-Gelfand, etc..showed some attacking possibilities of the Fischer attack, and if you are interested in the Fischer/Sozin attack, I would recommand the book from Golubev, gambit edition which is very complete. But the actual fashion is the English attack where Anand have a pretty result.

As Black, I prefer e5 than e6 against 6.Be3 and the other White's moves than Bc4 and Bg5, but this is more a question of taste.
  
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Re: 6.Bg5 or English Attack a/g najdorf
Reply #6 - 08/15/05 at 18:39:34
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Hey guys,

This is Teyko. As most of you guys know I am a blackmar diemar gambit player. I have recently decided to take up 1.e4. 

I am starting to develop my repetoire against the Najdorf and I was hoping that some of the open sicilian guys could give me a honest answer as to what is better here. 

Is it GM Kosten's 6.Bg5 or the English Attack? 

I have looked at both positions and I don't which one is better and since I am new to 1.e4 I am wondering if you guys can help me out. GM's, IM's, and anyone else's opinions are welcomed. 

Peace,
Tommy J. Curry


Neither is better, but both are very sharp and require and intimate knowledge of theory, fearlessness and a flair for tactics.

6.Be3 is all the rage now, but 6.Bg5 is making a comeback.

In the end it just boils down to taste.

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Re: 6.Bg5 or English Attack a/g najdorf
Reply #5 - 08/15/05 at 13:25:07
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I prefer 6.Bg5.

The reason top GMs switched from 6.Bg5 to 6.Be3 was the Poisoned Pawn variation. That shouldn't be a concern on a lower level (I don't know your playing strength, if you're a GM, please don't pay attention to this post Smiley ) where most people don't like to defend even if they are a pawn up. Especially if you play BGD today. Although, if you play against a higher rated opponent you can play 8.Nb3 with an equal game (still lots of play), or maybe even better, play a forced drawing variation (as Vallejo Pons did against Kasparov). 

Against 6.-,Nc6 White can get a better endgame according to Luther in Experts vs. Sicilian although GM Kosten claims Black is ok.

In the other variations it is always White who is attacking. In almost every variation White can play very aggressively and sac pieces.

6.Be3 e5 is more positional and the play is less straightforward in my opinion. When I have played 6.Be3 on ICC 6.-,e5 has been the most common reply.
  
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Re: 6.Bg5 or English Attack a/g najdorf
Reply #4 - 08/15/05 at 07:00:49
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Never played the English attack, but if you choose Bg5, you should also play Bg5 against the classical as the play in many lines is similar. I like Bg5 a lot as the play is very sharp and black has to play very carefully if he wants to avoid being blown to pieces before move 15.

Only problem I have is that if you want to play Bg5 is that you have to have something ready for the scheveningen with a6 (as you can transpose to a e6 nadorf without Bg5) e.g. the Keres attack. Which is why I am currently working on a Be2 sicilian repertoire. Still I will keep playing Bg5 as I love tearing black apart from the start.
  

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Re: 6.Bg5 or English Attack a/g najdorf
Reply #3 - 08/15/05 at 06:04:32
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Personally I prefer 6.Be3. In my opinion 6.Bg5 can be effectively neutralised by ...e6 7.f4 Nc6! Wink 
After 6.Be3 both ...e6 and ...e5 lead to very sharp and interesting play so white should be well prepared. However, generally white's plan is quite simple: f3, Qd2, g4, 0-0-0, h4 etc. and attack on the kingside!
  
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Re: 6.Bg5 or English Attack a/g najdorf
Reply #2 - 08/15/05 at 04:51:17
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For what it's worth, the main reason I don't play the Najdorf is  6. Bg5, which is difficult to defend in a 2 hour OTB game. In general my preference is for e5-based sicilians, and it seems to me 6. Be3 e5! is an excellent answer to the English Attack which also does not require too much memory-work. 

  
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Re: 6.Bg5 or English Attack a/g najdorf
Reply #1 - 08/15/05 at 03:57:38
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I teach my students the English attack and they have great success with it.  It is a thematic opening that rewards a brash contempt of Black's play and has the Kasparov seal of approval! It is also thematically compatible with Yugoslav Dragon play in the way the kside pawn storm can become overwhelming.

Now that's the simplistic version.  The more nuanced answer will depend more on your own tastes.  I don't know if, as a former BDG player you'll be able to handle positions in which you have both the initiative and even material Wink, but both variations promise White interesting play without forcing him to give up material!

(I'd apologize for the digs at the armies of BDG moths that are attracted to the bright lights of this forum, but...
I'm not sorry!  Grin)
  
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6.Bg5 or English Attack a/g najdorf
08/15/05 at 03:09:51
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Hey guys,

This is Teyko. As most of you guys know I am a blackmar diemar gambit player. I have recently decided to take up 1.e4. 

I am starting to develop my repetoire against the Najdorf and I was hoping that some of the open sicilian guys could give me a honest answer as to what is better here. 

Is it GM Kosten's 6.Bg5 or the English Attack? 

I have looked at both positions and I don't which one is better and since I am new to 1.e4 I am wondering if you guys can help me out. GM's, IM's, and anyone else's opinions are welcomed. 

Peace,
Tommy J. Curry
  
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