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Re: Reti Opening (Dynamic Reti)
Reply #21 - 11/08/05 at 08:49:34
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Hello,
After  suggested 1.Nf3 d5 2. c4 dxc 3. g3!? play can continue 3...Nf6 4.Bg2 and either e6 or c6 would lead to positions considered in other threads, were I think black is ok, or black could consider 3..g6. 

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Re: Reti Opening (Dynamic Reti)
Reply #20 - 11/03/05 at 21:16:54
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Ok I’’m going to nit-pick Davies “the Dynamic Reti” but really it’s a great book with a lot of neat ideas.

As a long time flanker I like Davies book, but most of Chapter five I didn’t care for    3. e4   What’s this?  Davies states, “if white wants to keep the game along Reti lines then the little tried 3.e4 seems the best bet.”  HUH?   Looks to me that the positions resulting from 3.e4 has more in common with a  King’s pawn opening than a Reti.  I don’t recommend this at all.  It’s hardly a hypermodern approach and in my opinion runs counter to the flank positions someone who plays the Reti is going to be adept in handling.  3. e4 abandons the flank approach from the get go.   



  Davies obviously uses 1.Nf3 for its transpositional qualities  something to keep in mind. and I have to admit I use the same strategy when playing the Larsen. 


I  don’t agree with his assessment that “ 3.Na3 and Qa4+ does not give white anything and the roads to equality are well mapped out.  The positions resulting from 3 Na3 are pretty complex.  (even at the GM level)    


When playing  the Reti as well as the Larsen, transposing into a Sicilian or a Kings Indian is usually what 50% of my opponents are trying to force me to do.  Then the other half want to transpose into a Queens Gambit of some sort!  So playing 3.e3 (ala the Accepted isn’t going to stun an opponent either ) 

After 1. Nf3 ..1.g3   1. b3  and 1. c4 playing something with a Flank  theme is usually what causes my opponent the most consternation.   Hence,  I believe the best idea in the whole chapter   is the game 31 Alburt-Dlugy  with 1.Nf3 d5 2. c4 dxc 3. g3!?  A totally hypermodern approach…. 
anyway just my IMO
 


  
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Reply #19 - 10/26/05 at 04:14:24
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Just a final quick note -> 3 .. Nc6 4 Bxc4 e5 5 d4 seems to transpose directly to the main line of the 3 e4 e5 QGA after 5 .. ed (and 5 .. Nxd4 doesn't look so likely to be good). Not so wonderful from the avoiding theory point of view of course (& black is quite likely to know the line if he's playing like this) but it does mean that the e5 ideas don't give instant equality.
  
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Reply #18 - 10/25/05 at 05:16:42
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Back to the orginal question, it seems best after 3 .. b5 to play 4 b3!? since holding the pawn via 4 .. cb 5 Bxb5+ c6 6 Bc4 ba looks very dangerous for black. 4 .. Nf6 5 e5 Ng4 6 Bb2 etc is fine too.
The potential problem with throwing in 4 a4 c6 is that after both 5 b3 Nf6 6 e5 Ng4 7 Bb2 Qb6!? (the difference) 8 Bd4 c5 9 Bb2 etc black seems to get more play than he perhaps deserves. Certainly it's a lot messier.
(7 bc Nxe5 8 NxN Qd4 9 Nxf7 Qxa1 10 Nxh8 Qxb1 seems fine for black.).

(btw my computer likes 4 d3 which looks anti positional although 4 .. cd (cooperative!) 5 Bxd3 a6 6 o-o etc does give white a large development edge.).

After e5 It's perhaps best to hold off playing 5 Qb3 and just play Nc3.
Then if black moves his bishop on c8 Qb3 *might* work and Nf6 Ng5 might be annoying too. It's a bit reminicent of some kind of mutant open game this.
Still this kind of pawn snatch is dangerous (need to work which ones work and which don't) and the main plan should be to achieve d4 somehow.

I certainly can't see how this can really be better than the 3 e4 QGD -> after 3 .. e5 white's main plan is to play d4 somehow after all.
  
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Re: Reti Opening (Dynamic Reti)
Reply #17 - 10/22/05 at 00:28:32
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Early on in my chess searches I played the Reti and scored well with it.  But I found myself playing early d4s instead of b3 or g3 lines far more often and switched to 1.d4 instead.  Now, I use several different move orders to reach my favorite positions against various opponents.

  I agree completely with alumbrado that the Reti isn't the most "dynamic" opening available, but I remind you of Suba's excellent Dynamic Chess Strategy which recommends just that sort of play for White!
  
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Reply #16 - 10/21/05 at 10:37:51
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Hello,

I am not really a supporter of white's cause in this opening, but doubt anything better than tranposing to QGA with 3.e3 objectively speaking. 
            Looking at the old book "secrets I learned from the masters", Edward Lasker suggests that after 3e4!? black equalises most easily with 3...Nc6! 4.B*c4 e5 5. Qb3 Qd7, rather than 3...c5 4.B*c4 Nc6 5b4 when however black takes pawn, white gets advantage, i.e if N*b4, Ne5 followed by Bb5+. (In a later Fine game, black defended succesfully with 5...e6). Not exactly cutting edge theory, but some ideas.

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Re: Reti Opening (Dynamic Reti)
Reply #15 - 10/21/05 at 09:01:40
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Hmm ... if you have to ask that question I would have to ask whether you should be playing the Réti at all ...


That's my doubt as well. You want to accept a potentially backward pawn and call it "dynamic" ? I'm sure there's some reason. But, just by going through the thread I don't get it. Cry
  

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Re: Reti Opening (Dynamic Reti)
Reply #14 - 10/21/05 at 05:16:21
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Alumbrado,

not commiting in the center until it's needed, controlling it with pieces, and avoiding some hard worked lines in other openings, is the Reti's point. My, little, experience with this line shows me that sometimes white will be forced to play d3, temporally, to support the e4 pawn. (not d4 in just one move to open the game with great piece activity).  I mean 3.e4! can work but it depends more on black's than white's play.

But..., I'm just a newbie in chess Wink


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Re: Reti Opening (Dynamic Reti)
Reply #13 - 10/21/05 at 04:29:10
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Hmm ... if you have to ask that question I would have to ask whether you should be playing the Réti at all ...
  

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Re: Reti Opening (Dynamic Reti)
Reply #12 - 10/21/05 at 01:50:41
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But, what's the point to hold the d pawn back? 


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Re: Reti Opening (Dynamic Reti)
Reply #11 - 10/19/05 at 15:19:55
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@Smyslov_Fan "The pseudo-gambit 2.c4 invites Black to make a mistake.  This is part of why such strong GMs as Kramnik play this move order to get into Queen's Gambit lines."

What mistake??  ??? I see 2-,Nf6 as the only "natural" move that is a mistake. I really dont think Kramnik thinks his opponents will play like that. 


@Alias "Did Kramnik ever play 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4?"

No. Never according to chesslab.com.


@ John Simmons " It is my understanding that Davies is recommending 3.e4!? because the other lines are so solid."

That is my impression as well. dxc4 is actually a very good response...


Btw, "The Dynamic Reti" also mentions 3. g3!? as an interesting and little explored alternative
  
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Re: Reti Opening (Dynamic Reti)
Reply #10 - 10/19/05 at 09:54:31
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Hello,

Having different opinions is what makes chess fun. For me, since taking up the QGA, this line looks pretty decent for black. For delaying d4, a Keres v Fine game from 193x is a good model. Whilst against 1.Nf3 d5 
2.c4 dc 3Na3, found a game of Edward Lasker with e5, which looks quite fun. (This recently resurfaced in a SOS article). Whilst 3...c5 is the most solid, from Botvinnik v Fine for example. 
          It is my understanding that Davies is recommending 3.e4!? because the other lines are so solid.

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Re: Reti Opening (Dynamic Reti)
Reply #9 - 10/19/05 at 01:56:29
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The pseudo-gambit 2.c4 invites Black to make a mistake.  This is part of why such strong GMs as Kramnik play this move order to get into Queen's Gambit lines.


Did Kramnik ever play 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4? I can't remember (and I don't access to a good database at the moment). In the Khalifman books it's 2.d4.

It's hard to understand why 2...dxc4 is bad in this case and not after 1.d4.
  

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Re: Reti Opening (Dynamic Reti)
Reply #8 - 10/19/05 at 01:05:01
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Holding back on the d-pawn may be another good option for White but I still don't think it changes the status of 2...dxc4 as a fairly solid option for the second player.  Certainly I don't think it deserves the "?!" label.  But it is good to know White has a variety of means to attempt to cause Black problems.
  
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Re: Reti Opening (Dynamic Reti)
Reply #7 - 10/18/05 at 09:55:57
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Well, it has as much or as little bite as the Réti complex generally.  Just enough to keep Black players up to quite a high level on their toes in my experience.
  

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