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Reply #38 - 11/16/06 at 19:52:54
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Thanks.

Now I know. (And knowing is half the battle.)
  
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Reply #37 - 11/16/06 at 19:50:02
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Hello SC:

An imbalance would be something like a better minor piece. He has many chapters where he covers a single imbalance like this. Other imbalances include open files + rooks, initiative, etc.

He has a section where he deals with multiple imbalances in a position. Obvious this is very difficult stuff.

His book is about different positional elements and needing to plan acordingly. He does not deal with imbalances on a quantitative basis as you were worried about. He states many times that it all depends on the specific position, IOW he teaches rules but acknowledges that it is more complicated in real life.

One of the few strategy books that I could understand when I was lower rated. Another was Simple Chess by Stean. Also there was a positional book by Love. At that time others were above my head. Today of course we have many books that explain strategic concepts well, e.g. opening books like the Starting Out series. Very frustrating when I think how I could have done with these a few years ago.

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J-dog wrote on 11/16/06 at 19:24:57:
Maybe someone could clue me in: How does Silman's "Imbalances Method" work?  Is it comparing imbalancing elements in the position on a quantitative basis, like 1:1?  "I have doubled iso pawns but he has an exposed king", so they cancel each other out?  Or is it comparing things on a qualitative basis, like "My Kingside majority, khight outpost, and more sound structure seems to hold the balance vs. his tremendous piece activity and 2 bishops?"  

If it's the former, I'd say it might be a bit superficial.  But if it's the latter, then only an highly experienced player knows how subtle positional factors compare in various concrete situations based on vast experience and exposure to chess.

Just wondering...I'm a bit skeptical, but I'd like to know what's up.

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Maybe someone could clue me in: How does Silman's "Imbalances Method" work?  Is it comparing imbalancing elements in the position on a quantitative basis, like 1:1?  "I have doubled iso pawns but he has an exposed king", so they cancel each other out?  Or is it comparing things on a qualitative basis, like "My Kingside majority, khight outpost, and more sound structure seems to hold the balance vs. his tremendous piece activity and 2 bishops?"   

If it's the former, I'd say it might be a bit superficial.  But if it's the latter, then only an highly experienced player knows how subtle positional factors compare in various concrete situations based on vast experience and exposure to chess.

Just wondering...I'm a bit skeptical, but I'd like to know what's up.

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Reply #35 - 11/16/06 at 03:08:50
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Hello Katar:
Interesting comment about clerical labor versus education. Could be so. I was entering the stuff into Chessbase so I could play thru the games quickly later for review.

But you could be right. I really like your ideas for reading books cover to cover. So far I have read bits here and there. Also I realize I have been more of a collector/browser that a reader.

Curious if others have ideas on this.

Take care,

Gerry

katar wrote on 11/12/06 at 06:55:27:
Hey,

I still use my old approach (recently for Art of Attack), though i wouldn't say it is the "best" approach or anything.  It's based on the idea that if you fully comprehend a game, you will be able to reconstruct the "plot" of the game without the notation.

I wrote a blog post with some ideas about reading chess books.
http://chessforblood.blogspot.com/2006/08/actually-reading-chess-books.html

I do think that converting books to Chessbase seems more like clerical labor rather than education... just my opinion.  GL

  
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Reply #34 - 11/12/06 at 19:13:45
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DAX wrote on 10/31/05 at 19:18:23:
Trying to reach the next level of play so its time to hit the books for overall improvement! The following are the books I plan to read in order.....while it may seem like overkill I will grind it out and take notes on alot of thmy weaker areas of th approach? Any suggestions?



Wow that's alot of reading!

I'm working on my game too but I only study books on the endgame and tactics right I'm reading basic chess endings by Reuben Fine/ revised by Pal Benko it's a huge book, it will take me 3 years to pour through all it's material I also watch GM Roman Dzindzichashvili's dvds on the endgame they helped me improve my game alot I was 1320 when I bought them my rating has increased steadily with time and alot of hard work I'm now rated 1770 over the board.



















  
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Reply #33 - 11/12/06 at 06:55:27
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Hey,

I still use my old approach (recently for Art of Attack), though i wouldn't say it is the "best" approach or anything.  It's based on the idea that if you fully comprehend a game, you will be able to reconstruct the "plot" of the game without the notation.

I wrote a blog post with some ideas about reading chess books.
http://chessforblood.blogspot.com/2006/08/actually-reading-chess-books.html

I do think that converting books to Chessbase seems more like clerical labor rather than education... just my opinion.  GL
  

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Reply #32 - 11/12/06 at 06:05:47
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Hello All:

Been thinking about how I study chess books and then I found this thread. I enter moves from strategy books into Chessbase with comments and variations. It takes some time. So I am wondering is this method way too slow? Katar's method (see quote below) seems to leave out entering the comments, etc. So it would seem a faster way to get through a book?

1) Any thoughts on which approach is best for going thru a book?

2) How important is it to review say strategy material at later times? It seems important to me as otherwise you forget many ideas. But I cannot say I know how memory concepts relate to studying positonal material. I can imagine that review is important with opening lines. Any thoughts.

Time is precious so trying to figure out a reasonable approach before I embark on this chess road again.

Thanks, Gerry

[quote author=katar link=1130804304/0#5 date=1130867349]
I'm doing the same home study course, sorta.  I'm going for less quantity but hope to compensate with more depth.  I finished "Art of Checkmate" last weekend.  My method is this:  play through each game and all variations from the book.  Close the book, replay the game and think about the evaluation after every move.  If i forget something, I look at the book, clear the board and start over!  (It's not rote memorization, but learning how moves fit into a plan.)  I have a superb memory so I usually get it right on the 1st or 2nd try.

  
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Reply #31 - 06/08/06 at 09:40:20
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I've only skimmed through the comments on this thread, so I may be going over old territory here.

First impressions:  Choosing a course of study requires understanding what each of the authors have to offer.  For instance, Silman's books are a good unit of study for an average player.  They could constitue the equivalent of one course or a set of courses from the same teacher.   

Dvoretsky's books are designed as a graduate level work load, and presupposes a great deal of endgame and other technical knowledge.  I wouldn't touch this with a ten-foot pole until you have proven a mastery level of about 2000 elo.

Game collections should indeed form the backbone of a course on chess, but you will need a central nervous center that is combinational in nature.  The more you can go through tactical problems (preferably about ten a day with a difficulty level equal to those found in the Encyclopedia of Chess Combinations or the Informant, the better your game will be.

An organized method of studying the endgame, from pawn endings (without moving the pieces) through simple mates, Rook Endings, Minor Piece Endings, Queen endings and on to complex endings is an essential building block to increasing ability.  Viktor Korchnoi once promised a 200 pt rating gain merely by thoroughly studying his book on Rook endings.   While that is almost certainly an overstatement, his general advice is valid.

Finally, all the book study in the world won't prepare you for the hurly-burly of tournament play.  Tournament play (and not Internet or casual chess) will burn off the excesses and force you to focus on what your relative strengths and weaknesses really are.  Then you can go back to the program that you developed in a vacuum and retool it to address the issues you have at hand.   

There's an old adage for chess study:  Study what interests you!  If you play an interesting Bishop ending, then study that.  If you get crushed out of the opening in an Italian Game, study that.  The real key is to have fun.
  
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Reply #30 - 05/31/06 at 22:16:50
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Hi DAX!

I remember reading this thread and decided to revisit it. How are your studies coming along ? Are you growing tired of such intense studies or are you asking for more? Smiley
  

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Reply #29 - 11/06/05 at 21:51:34
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Most of my books (not so many, 100-150) I have studied from cover to cover. Exceptions are books like Taimanov's Damengambit bis Holländisch. Here I skipped the part on the Queen's Indian with 4.g3.
  

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Reply #28 - 11/06/05 at 10:36:55
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Castlerock,

As anyone whose been to my study can attest, most of my books haven't just been read, but thumbed through countless times.  I do know that people use books as a sort of wallpaper, but with my limited budget I only buy books I intend to read and use.

I know I'm in the minority though.  I have been to the houses of some avid chess players who have thousands (literally) of chess books.  Some of them spend more time cataloging them than opening them.  This is a fine pasttime, but is not to be confused with playing or studying.  This is collecting.

You're right though, this does belong in another thread.
  
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Reply #27 - 11/06/05 at 10:23:57
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Actuall it calls for another thread. It would be interesting to know how many books have been studied (not just read. Even here I'm skeptical) from cover to cover.
  

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Reply #26 - 11/05/05 at 19:07:21
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I don't think you can go wrong with multiple books on the openings you play so long as you put the effort to mine their treasures. You do raise an interesting point as to limiting ones library. Chess information abounds in the age of misinformation! I think we can all admit in our earlier years of play we grabbed all the books a top notch grandmaster would recomend for study! I learned a great deal from this trap though......I learned the style of play I feel most comfortable with and as time wore on I have limited my purchases to new  books on my openings, & game collections of players who's style mimics my own. 

If I were to have a hand in a new players education I guiess it would be fairly simple process. Obviously have him read some begginer books to aquire the basic knowledge. From there I would have him play through a great many game collections from players of very different styles coupled with a good deal of over the board/computer play. From here it would be easy as he would have an idea of what style of play & positions
he feels comfortable in.....opening selction would be simple and from there further study could be limited to a few books on the middlegame (Euwe's),  some positional & tactical books (more in whatever style he plays), and a  basic endgame book followed by Dvortskys endgame manual!
  
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But I'm guessing it would be more profitable to cut back to just a few books and study them intensely rather than spending your meager time flitting through a whole library of chess books, regardless of how good they are.


Absolutely. Law of diminishing marginal utility applies to chess books purchase also. Smiley
  

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Reply #24 - 11/05/05 at 10:45:19
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"I belive in GM Mecking's advice that chess players should devote the majority of their study time on their openings of choice! It saves time both over the board and off...belive me!!!!! " -- cjb1617

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I so much agree with cjb here.

For this reason (I don't think this is off-topic) I strongly disagree with John Watson (another great chess writer).   He has often said he prefers opening books without complete games, 'cause it leaves more room for variations.  I want the complete, well annotated, games.  (Remember, I'm a class player.)  This gives you a feel for the flavor of the whole game springing from the opening, through the middle game and on to the end game.

I'm sure if you took some kind of poll about advice as to what to study you'd get a majority suggesting tactics and endgames.  Middlegames and endgames are variable, but every game starts with an opening.  If your study time is limited, by studying your chosen opening by playing through complete games played with that opening, you get the whole thing.  A decent beginning is not a bad thing to have when you are playing OTB and your clock is ticking.

With study time severly limited, it seems to me that this approach just makes good sense.  'Course, if you plan to become World Champion you might opt for a different approach.

And here's a place where I wish I were better at taking my own advice:  Probably any chess player can list off the top of his head a couple of dozen really good books that really merit study.  But I'm guessing it would be more profitable to cut back to just a few books and study them intensely rather than spending your meager time flitting through a whole library of chess books, regardless of how good they are.

The challenge then becomes much more difficult:  how to select the one book, or three books, or five books, that you're going to spend your limited time on to the exclusion of groaning shelves of other good books.

I have a very limited chess opening repertoire, and I still have at least three books for every opening I play.  I guess that blows the limited book idea out of the water right off the rip, but, nevertheless, I still think it has merit.  That, and concentrating your study time on your openings -- with complete games.

  
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