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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #25 - 07/09/12 at 14:24:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	The Byrne type stuff with ...c6, ...a6, ...b5 I always thought was a decent idea against this Ne2 thing, interesting that Hebden is playing it also. Edit - against the Modern would've thought the straightforward 5.Be2 or 5.Nf3 was Whites best but we're straying a bit off topic.


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Jay Full Member Offline Posts: 212 Location: USA Joined: 04/18/09 Gender:	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #24 - 06/14/12 at 05:55:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	It's funny how something can seem obvious when you have stepped away from it for some time. I think the fact that many of the black moves are dubious is because they waste time. I think this about the modern in general, but I still manage to lose games against some modern players that really know their lines.


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #23 - 06/13/12 at 17:56:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'd say that Black wasted little time in starting to play dubious moves, and the computer comments don't look enlightening. One thought: 7...Nf6 looks healthy; in that case a plausible possibility, 8. f3, would transpose to something that can be reached in what I suppose might be called the accelerated Byrne system in the Saemisch KID (and that was given by Efstratios Grivas as leading to = or unclear with best play).


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Jay Full Member Offline Posts: 212 Location: USA Joined: 04/18/09 Gender:	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #22 - 05/24/12 at 00:08:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	So thanks to some site users, I found that the site header was bad, so here is one of my games. Technically this is a modern opening because black declined to enter KID waters, but I think that it is a valid idea against both openings. The analysis is courtesy of Fritz12 with Firebird plugged in on 2 CPUs for 20 minutes. So the question is "Are the computer evaluations wrong?" I'd love to hear from some strong players on this game and the various alternatives and plans from black. It seems to me that Black played typically natural moves for KID/modern. Download game in pgn format
	« Last Edit: 05/24/12 at 22:06:10 by Jay »

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Jay Full Member Offline Posts: 212 Location: USA Joined: 04/18/09 Gender:	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #21 - 05/21/12 at 20:07:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	I have played a few of these lines. I think it's more than a one trick pony. I will analyze and post a few of the games I have played. Maybe merge them and show a few ideas. What is good for this variation is that typical KID moves are often deeply innacurate. So the KID player might get outplayed and not even know where he went wrong.


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Jay Full Member Offline Posts: 212 Location: USA Joined: 04/18/09 Gender:	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #20 - 05/01/12 at 04:33:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	Forintos & Haag's work is now out of print, but as far as I know it is the most recent work on the subject. In which work does Gallagher comment on this variation? I have Play the King's Indian Defense.


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #19 - 05/01/12 at 03:29:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	No difference. John Watson, while calling it the Kramer System, suggested that Szabo System (after the Hungarian GM) would also be a decent name for it. (As an aside, Szabo might be best known to some as the victim -- on the White side of a KID, but not a Szabo -- of one of Fischer's 60 memorable games.)


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Jay Full Member Offline Posts: 212 Location: USA Joined: 04/18/09 Gender:	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #18 - 05/01/12 at 02:56:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	Time to revive an old thread? What is the difference between the Hungarian Attack and the Kramer? I know that Forintos & Haag wrote an "Easy guide to the Nge2 King's Indian." From the lines presented in the book, I think white has excellent practical chances. Some are probably right that black can retain some measure of equality, but how many minor systems can you find that have 126 pages of research ready? I've used it in blitz and at the local coffee shop with good results in each. The local coffee shop player tends to spend 2 hours for a game and generally reaches good positions. I would point out that white has several ways to play and the inflexibility of the knight move is compensated by at least a couple of ways to play.


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LeeRoth God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 1520 Joined: 10/22/05	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #17 - 10/15/11 at 18:33:59	Post Tools	Print Post
	Confessions of a former White player: I always felt the Kramer was a bit of a one-trick pony. If Black doesn't fall for the Bxh5 sac, White gets nothing special. Black's fine with the standard plan of ..0-0 and ..e5. I always thought Black was best off playing ..c6 and opening the c-file. The Gallagher never bothered me as White. I suspect that it became popular because Gallagher promoted it, not because it was a silver bullet. I think I'd block White's h4 with h5, rather than let the White pawn get to h6, but I've noticed that a lot of really strong players don't bother. The h4/h5 structure makes it hard to play ..f5 but its not all roses for White. White leaves the h4 pawn on a dark square. You know those good Knight/bad Bishop endings that White aims for? They aren't quite so good when you lose the h-pawn.


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OrangeCounty Full Member Offline You played that like it was a good move! Posts: 171 Joined: 05/26/10	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #16 - 10/15/11 at 14:57:29	Post Tools	Print Post
	I am uncomfortable with Gallagher's treatment of the Kramer, which is fine but is not terribly great as a repertoire choice. I found his "don't worry about it" a cop out. Still, 5. Nge2 is not a terribly flexible move, so as long as Black avoids getting mated he should be able to obtain a good game. My advice would be to play whatever you play against the Samisch, possibly with delayed castling. If you do this, you'll have a general understanding of the ideas you're playing. That, plus reviewing some games in the line you play from a Kramer move order, should be sufficient to get a playable game. The Kramer is not the Bayonet Attack, after all.


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JEH God Member Offline "Football is like Chess, only without the dice." Posts: 1456 Location: Reading Joined: 09/22/05 Gender:	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #15 - 10/15/11 at 06:48:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	Here's a YouTube Vid that includes the Kramer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKIjA3sAYlc

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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #14 - 10/15/11 at 01:13:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	Jerry_Taylor wrote on 02/15/06 at 03:13:47: Does anyone have any experience playing with/against the Kramer Variation (1.d4,Nf6 2.c4,g7 3.Nc3,Bg7 4.e4,d6 5.Nge2!?). It seems to score reasonably well, holds out the possibility of some straight-forward, easy-to-play White kingside assaults centering upon h2-h4-h5, and kills Black's kingside options. Black's best option seems to be immediate and energetic queenside play, but even so, White appears to stand OK. How often do KID players see this? What are the latest developments in this line? Should I adopt this as White? MaSu wrote on 10/14/11 at 20:37:04: Hi, i think that this Kramer Variation is good against weaker opponents. Yesterday i played the following game: 1.d4-Nf6 2.c4-d6 3.Nc3-g6 4.e4-Bg7 5.Nge2-0-0 6.Ng3-Nbd7 7.Be2-e5 8.d5-a5 9.h4-h5 10.Bg5-Qe8 11.Nb5-Qd8 12.Bxh5!-gxh5 13.Nxh5-Nc5 14.Nc3-c6 15.Qf3-Ncd7 16.Rh3-Kh7 17.Nd1-cxd5 18.cxd5-a4 19.Rg3-Qa5 20.Bd2 1-0 My opponent asked me after the game, where he made his mistake. Not easy to answer, because Blacks moves were very normal.But not for this variation! Thats why i like this one, espacially against younger opponents. 'Attacking Chess: The King's Indian Volume 2' covers this line very well from Black's point of view. Replying to the OP, yes, this line is about equal but may appeal to some as it is quite unique in character compared to other KID variations. If you play the Samisch as well, you can meet moves other than 5...0-0 with 6.f3, which may take the opponent out of his repertoire. Replying to the most recent post, most openings are good against weaker opponents. In the above game Black would be fine if he played ...Na6 instead of ...Nbd7 as this way the c7-pawn is protected and Black has the option of playing ...Bd7 before ...Nc5. By the way, a tip to people playing this as White: Often it is more dangerous to play h6 if it forces Bh8, rather than hg6, as the h8-bishop can be out of play for a long time as a result.

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MaSu YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 28 Joined: 11/01/08	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #13 - 10/14/11 at 20:37:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hi, i think that this Kramer Variation is good against weaker opponents. Yesterday i played the following game: 1.d4-Nf6 2.c4-d6 3.Nc3-g6 4.e4-Bg7 5.Nge2-0-0 6.Ng3-Nbd7 7.Be2-e5 8.d5-a5 9.h4-h5 10.Bg5-Qe8 11.Nb5-Qd8 12.Bxh5!-gxh5 13.Nxh5-Nc5 14.Nc3-c6 15.Qf3-Ncd7 16.Rh3-Kh7 17.Nd1-cxd5 18.cxd5-a4 19.Rg3-Qa5 20.Bd2 1-0 My opponent asked me after the game, where he made his mistake. Not easy to answer, because Blacks moves were very normal.But not for this variation! Thats why i like this one, espacially against younger opponents.


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LaRocque YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 19 Joined: 09/19/07	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #12 - 10/01/07 at 18:52:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	Willempie wrote on 10/01/07 at 13:08:57: LaRocque wrote on 10/01/07 at 12:21:11: JEH wrote on 09/20/07 at 17:56:16: Best way to meet the Kramer variation is with the Kramer defence. There is a book and DVD out on this. Just look up Kramer vs. Kramer What's the "kramer defence"? IT's a movie joke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramer_vs._Kramer ok!

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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #11 - 10/01/07 at 13:08:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	LaRocque wrote on 10/01/07 at 12:21:11: JEH wrote on 09/20/07 at 17:56:16: Best way to meet the Kramer variation is with the Kramer defence. There is a book and DVD out on this. Just look up Kramer vs. Kramer What's the "kramer defence"? IT's a movie joke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramer_vs._Kramer

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LaRocque YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 19 Joined: 09/19/07	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #10 - 10/01/07 at 12:21:11	Post Tools	Print Post
	JEH wrote on 09/20/07 at 17:56:16: Best way to meet the Kramer variation is with the Kramer defence. There is a book and DVD out on this. Just look up Kramer vs. Kramer What's the "kramer defence"?

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JEH God Member Offline "Football is like Chess, only without the dice." Posts: 1456 Location: Reading Joined: 09/22/05 Gender:	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #9 - 09/20/07 at 17:56:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	Best way to meet the Kramer variation is with the Kramer defence. There is a book and DVD out on this. Just look up Kramer vs. Kramer

	Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, stuck in the middlegame with you
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LaRocque YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 19 Joined: 09/19/07	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #8 - 09/20/07 at 17:33:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	There is a good book about the Kramer variation (also called the Hungarian attack) from Everyman: "easy guide to the Nge2 King's Indian", Forintos and Haag (2000)

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Hotspur YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/06	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #7 - 12/31/06 at 05:38:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	Ponamariov used this variation to great effect fairly recently and against pretty good opposition: [Event "10th Petr Izmailov Mem"] [Site "Tomsk RUS"] [Date "2006.07.15"] [Round "6"] [White "Ponomariov, R"] [Black "Bologan, V"] [Result "1-0"] [WhiteElo "2721"] [BlackElo "2645"] [ECO "E70"] [Opening "King's Indian, Kramer System"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nge2 O-O 6. Ng3 c6 7. Be2 a6 8. Be3 Nbd7 9. O-O e5 10. d5 cxd5 11. cxd5 h5 12. Rc1 Nh7 13. Qd2 h4 14. Nh1 f5 15. exf5 gxf5 16. f4 exf4 17. Bxf4 Ne5 18. Nf2 Bd7 19. Kh1 Rc8 20. Nh3 b5 21. a3 Qf6 22. Be3 Ng6 23. Bh5 Ne5 24. Be2 Ng6 25. Nf4 Nxf4 26. Bxf4 Qg6 27. Bd3 Rfe8 28. Qf2 Nf6 29. Qxh4 Ne4 30. Nxe4 fxe4 31. Be2 Bf6 32. Bh5 Qf5 33. Qg3+ Kh7 34. Bxe8 Rxe8 35. Bxd6 Qg6 36. Rc7 1-0 [Event "10th Petr Izmailov Mem"] [Site "Tomsk RUS"] [Date "2006.07.15"] [Round "7"] [White "Ponomariov, R"] [Black "Kasimdzhanov, R"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [WhiteElo "2721"] [BlackElo "2672"] [ECO "E70"] [Opening "King's Indian, Kramer System"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nge2 O-O 6. Ng3 e5 7. d5 a5 8. Be2 Na6 9. Bg5 h6 10. Be3 Nh7 11. Qd2 h5 12. O-O-O Bd7 13. Kb1 Nc5 14. Nf1 Na4 15. Nb5 f5 16. Qc2 Nc5 17. Nd2 b6 18. f3 Bf6 19. exf5 Bxf5 20. Ne4 Nxe4 21. fxe4 Bd7 22. Rhf1 Bg5 23. Rxf8+ Kxf8 24. Bg1 Kg7 25. a3 Nf6 26. Ka2 Rc8 27. Rf1 Qe7 28. Bd3 h4 29. b4 axb4 30. axb4 c6 31. Nc3 cxd5 32. cxd5 h3 33. Kb2 Ng4 34. Rf3 hxg2 35. Qxg2 Bh6 36. h3 Nf6 37. Bxb6 Nh5 38. Ba6 Rb8 39. Ba5 Nf4 40. Qf1 Qh4 41. Qc4 Rf8 42. Qc7 Rf7 43. Qxd6 Bxh3 44. Bd8 Qh5 45. Rg3 Kh7 46. Kb3 Bg4 47. Ka4 Bd7+ 48. Bb5 Bxb5+ 49. Kxb5 Qh2 50. Rg5 Bxg5 51. Bxg5 Ne2 52. Nxe2 Qxe2+ 53. Kb6 Qxe4 54. Qc5 Qg4 55. Be7 e4 56. d6 Qe6 57. Bg5 Qd7 58. Be7 Qe6 59. Bg5 Qd7 60. Be7 Qe6 61. Bg5 Qd7 62. Be7 Qe6 1/2-1/2


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BladezII Senior Member Offline Member of chesspublishing .com and STC Club Posts: 409 Joined: 11/01/04	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #6 - 07/02/06 at 05:42:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	That's commenting on one of the approaches. Fair enough. What about the others, like the reaction by White in White's other two or three games I posted? What about those positions?

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IMRichardPalliser Senior Member Offline Posts: 305 Location: York Joined: 03/23/04	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #5 - 06/14/06 at 11:20:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	Fair enough, but against the Hebden/Gallagher system (where Black delays castling), surely White should allow ...b5 and play for a quick f4 and e5, rather than Pert's ridiculous Bf4?

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MrET YaBB Newbies Offline Posts: 7 Location: New Zealand Joined: 06/06/06	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #4 - 06/07/06 at 07:37:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	Interesting stuff. I don't think Nge2 is much of a threat, but it's a good line for ICC blitz. Seems to come as a surprise to most Blacks, and White's play is quite mechanical.


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BladezII Senior Member Offline Member of chesspublishing .com and STC Club Posts: 409 Joined: 11/01/04	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #3 - 02/17/06 at 20:22:03	Post Tools	Print Post
	If you think this is a problem, my advise and GM Gallagher's advise is don't worry about it. It is not a problem. First because the percentage is very small, second the structures between this and the Saemisch for Black are the same and the tools are the same and the maneuvers and/or aims are very similar or the same. GM Gallagher does address the issue of White trying to switch back to the saemish very well in his book. In case White plays 6.g3, the fact that Black has played ...a6 now is not an issue either. Black plays ...a6 is all or almost all his set ups vs the fianchetto. For example 6.g3 0-0 7.Bg2 Nbd7 and we are in home territory of most or all set ups vs the fianchetto lines in the KID.

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Glenn Snow God Member Offline Posts: 1720 Location: Franklin Joined: 09/27/03 Gender:	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #2 - 02/15/06 at 16:42:32	Post Tools	Print Post
	Keep in mind though that White can also answer 5...a6 with either 6.Be3 or 6.g3. This can be at least a slight problem if this doesn't fit in with one's repertoire. For example, those that answer the Saemisch 5.Be3 with 5...c5.


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BladezII Senior Member Offline Member of chesspublishing .com and STC Club Posts: 409 Joined: 11/01/04	Re: Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? Reply #1 - 02/15/06 at 05:48:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	Be careful with stats. Against those who don't know what's exactly going on in this system and how it happens this system does well. Now, the truth about what happens when Black knows how White is weak and how White is not too flexible, then ... another story. Delaying castling, starting operations on the queenside, and a timely hitting the center works well, really well. First game in point is a nice display by someone who is a KID guru and has been biten by this system before and thus learned from experience, GM Hebden. [Event "Gibraltar Masters"] [Site "Caleta"] [Date "2005.01.27"] [Round "3"] [White "Pert, Richard G"] [Black "Hebden, Mark"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "E70"] [WhiteElo "2417"] [BlackElo "2521"] [PlyCount "82"] [EventDate "2005.01.25"] [EventType "swiss"] [EventRounds "10"] [EventCountry "ENG"] [Source "ChessBase"] [SourceDate "2005.03.03"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nge2 a6 6. Ng3 h5 7. Be2 c6 8. Bf4 Qa5 9. Bd2 e5 10. c5 h4 11. Nb5 axb5 12. Bxa5 hxg3 13. fxg3 Rxa5 14. cxd6 Nxe4 15. O-O Ra4 16. d5 Rd4 17. Qe1 Nxd6 18. Rd1 O-O 19. Qa5 Nc4 20. Bxc4 bxc4 21. d6 Bg4 22. Rde1 Nd7 23. h3 Be6 24. Rd1 e4 25. Qb4 b5 26. Rxd4 Bxd4+ 27. Kh2 Ne5 28. Qd2 Nd3 29. Re1 Bd5 30. Re2 Rd8 31. h4 Rxd6 32. g4 Bxb2 33. h5 b4 34. Qe3 Be5+ 35. g3 b3 36. axb3 cxb3 37. Qb6 b2 38. Qb8+ Kg7 39. h6+ Kxh6 40. Kg1 Kg7 41. Rh2 Rd8 0-1 Second game, same person playing Black, better play by White-- [Event "Gibraltar Masters"] [Site "Caleta"] [Date "2005.01.31"] [Round "7"] [White "Van den Bersselaar, Jeroen"] [Black "Hebden, Mark"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [ECO "E70"] [WhiteElo "2211"] [BlackElo "2521"] [PlyCount "110"] [EventDate "2005.01.25"] [EventType "swiss"] [EventRounds "10"] [EventCountry "ENG"] [Source "ChessBase"] [SourceDate "2005.03.03"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nge2 a6 6. Ng3 c6 7. Be2 b5 8. O-O Nbd7 9. Be3 O-O 10. c5 dxc5 11. dxc5 e5 12. a4 b4 13. Na2 a5 14. Nc1 h5 15. f3 h4 16. Nh1 Nh5 17. g3 hxg3 18. hxg3 Qe7 19. Qd6 Qxd6 20. cxd6 Rd8 21. Nb3 Bf8 22. Rfd1 Ba6 23. Kf1 Ng7 24. Rac1 Bxe2+ 25. Kxe2 Ra6 26. Nf2 Ne6 27. f4 c5 28. fxe5 Nxe5 29. Nxc5 Nxc5 30. Rxc5 f6 31. b3 Bxd6 32. Rcd5 Nf7 33. Bf4 Kf8 34. Ng4 Be7 35. Ne3 Rxd5 36. Rxd5 Bd8 37. Nc4 Ke7 38. Rb5 Ke6 39. Rb7 g5 40. Bc7 Bxc7 41. Rxc7 Ne5 42. Nxe5 Kxe5 43. Ke3 Kd6 44. Rf7 Ke6 45. Rc7 Rd6 46. Rc5 Rd1 47. Rxa5 Rb1 48. Ra6+ Kf7 49. Ra7+ Kg6 50. g4 Rxb3+ 51. Kf2 Rb2+ 52. Kf3 b3 53. Rb7 Rb1 54. a5 b2 55. Kg2 Ra1 1/2-1/2 Here White is one of the experts in this line, who has scored some very impressive wins with this system. Black uses the same system of delayed castling, action on Q-side, etc. [Event "Wch U26 (Men)"] [Site "Rotterdam"] [Date "1998.08.??"] [Round "3"] [White "Liardet,Fabrice"] [Black "Tzermiadianos,Andreas"] [Result "0-1"] [Eco "E70"] 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nge2 a6 6.Ng3 c6 7.Be2 b5 8.cxb5 axb5 9.b4 0-0 10.Rb1 Nbd7 11.h4 h5 12.Bg5 Nb6 13.Qd2 Be6 14.Bh6 Ra3 15.Bxg7 Kxg7 16.0-0 Qa8 17.Rb2 Rxc3 18.Qxc3 Na4 19.Qd2 Nxb2 20.Qxb2 Rb8 21.e5 dxe5 22.dxe5 Nd7 23.Qd4 Qxa2 24.Rd1 Ra8 25.Qf4 Qb2 26.Nxh5+ Kg8 27.Bg4 Ra1 28.Rxa1 Qxa1+ 29.Kh2 Bxg4 30.Qxg4 Qxe5+ 31.g3 Nf8 32.Nf4 Qd4 33.Qf3 e5 34.Nh3 Qd5 35.Qf6 Qe6 36.Qg5 Qd6 37.h5 Qxb4 38.Qf6 Nh7 39.Qxe5 gxh5 40.Qe8+ Nf8 41.Qxc6 Ne6 42.Qa8+ Kg7 43.Qf3 Qg4 44.Qd5 b4 45.Qe5+ Kg8 46.Qb8+ Kh7 47.Qb5 Kg6 48.Qd5 h4 49.gxh4 Qxh3+ 0-1 Finally, guru with the white system meets guru with the Black system... for the second time ! And for the second time he loses. Black get's play on all sides of the board (eventually) and White never really got his Kingside action to be significant. Liardet -- Gallagher, Lenk 1998 The game is in Gallgher's book fully annotated. 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nge2 a6 6. Ng3 c6 7. Be2 b5 8. cxb5 axb5 9. b4 O-O 10. Rb1 Nbd7 11. O-O Bb7 12. Bg5 h6 13. Be3 e5 14. Qc2 Qe7 15. Rfd1 exd4 16. Bxd4 h5 17. f3 Ne5 18. Nf1 h4 19. Qd2 Rfe8 20. Bf2 Nh5 21. g4 hxg3 22. hxg3 Rad8 23. g4 Nf6 24. Ng3 Qe6 25. Kg2 d5 26. g5 Nxf3 27. Qf4 Nxe4 28. Ncxe4 dxe4 29. Nxe4 Nd4 30. Bxd4 Rxd4 31. Bf3 Qxa2+ 32. Kg1 c5 33. Nf6+ Bxf6 34. Qxf6 Rg4+ 35. Kf1 Qc4+ 36. Kf2 Re2+ 0-1

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Jerry_Taylor YaBB Newbies Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 24 Location: Alexandria Joined: 01/16/03	Kramer Variation: 5.Nge2!? 02/15/06 at 03:13:47	Post Tools	Print Post
	Does anyone have any experience playing with/against the Kramer Variation (1.d4,Nf6 2.c4,g7 3.Nc3,Bg7 4.e4,d6 5.Nge2!?). It seems to score reasonably well, holds out the possibility of some straight-forward, easy-to-play White kingside assaults centering upon h2-h4-h5, and kills Black's kingside options. Black's best option seems to be immediate and energetic queenside play, but even so, White appears to stand OK. How often do KID players see this? What are the latest developments in this line? Should I adopt this as White?


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