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Re: 4.Qd3 in the Veresov
Reply #3 - 03/23/06 at 20:18:50
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I've also put down the Veresov (sort of) here on the forum but still find it intersting.  1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5 c5 may be fine theoretically for Black, but this is what would make me happiest to see.  I'll take the reversed Albin for OTB chess and also think 4.a3!? has it's merits.  The variations that bothered me the most were 3...Bf5 (kinda boring if 4.f3 doesn't work) and 3...g6 because 4.Bxf6 doesn't seem that strong and attacking ideas with 4.Qd2 and such also didn't seem to have much bite to me.
  
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Re: 4.Qd3 in the Veresov
Reply #2 - 03/23/06 at 14:47:35
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If it suits you, then it suits you. Why doubt ?
The most critical line is the Reversed Chigorin or Albin (depending on whether you choose e3 or e4), where your up-tempo does not mean anything. Some will interpret this as 'failure' (having spoilt your white advantage*), others will think of this as no big deal...*
Anyway, in terms of cost efficiency his may very well be the best white opening. You can also buy all 5 tomes of the 'Kramnik' repertoire (the Anand repertoire is only halfway after 7 tomes....) and still find "=" at the end of a lot of lines.

* Rowson has a chapter in his newest book where he tries to pin this hazy thing down.
   Watson does not think highly of it in exactly these variations this context : see his review on 
   Aagaards 'Meeting 1.d4' (which I have cited here before, I think).
  
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Re: 4.Qd3 in the Veresov
Reply #1 - 03/23/06 at 12:30:34
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I've also considered adding the Veresov to my repertoire, when I get the time to check it up properly... 

Davies book on it seems a quite decent effort, to my surprise he kept recommending an early e3, instead of these Qd3/d2, f3+e4 set-ups, the point usually being to reach some kind of Stonewall Attack with the darkfielder on g5 instead of c1. 

I haven't tried the e3-set-ups yet, but in online blitz I haven't scored very well with the other set-up, it may look promising - but around move 15-20 black often counters successfully...
  
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4.Qd3 in the Veresov
03/23/06 at 12:03:22
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I'm finally going to take up 1.d4, after all the years of abuse that I've given it. I know, I'm shocked too... then again, playing 2.Nc3 planning to follow up with an early e4 is probably not "strictly" a 1.d4 opening..  Wink

Anyway, in SOS2's Chapter "Follow The Experts", Rogozenko suggests the move 4.Qd3 in the Veresov (in particular against the line 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bg5 Nbd7), suggesting that white cannot get an edge in the classical sense, but many GMs (Chernysov and Hector in particular) score very, very well with this system. Indeed, from the brief look that I've had, it looks like a very difficult system to meet (especially at my level), along with the 4.f3 system (the two moves can indeed be combined). It has the advantage of giving me a line against the French (of sorts). Of course, I get the feeling that there's going to be an element of playing the BDG from time to time (which suits me), and I also have to have replies ready against 1...c5 (probably 2.e4) and 1...d6/2...Nf6 (conveniently I already play the Bg5 system in the Pirc, so this actually works quite well for me), and of course the Dutch (2.Qd3/2.e4/2.g4/2.h3/2.anything should give white a pretty pleasant position!). 

What do people think of this 4.Qd3 line? Has anyone got suggestions on what the most critical responses are as black? Does anyone play it as white and, if so, do you score well with it?

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