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Re: Leningrad with 7...h6
Reply #11 - 04/03/06 at 20:03:37
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Beim thinks the move is premature, and suggest  8 d5 or 8 Qc2. But as he also writes "  in such a complicated game, even when u have lost the strategic battle, u still have many chances, and herein lies the attractiveness of the leningrad dutch."

So, i think it is worth trying, as your opponent in a single game for sure will not have an easy road, and he surely wont have studied the move, giving u a psychological advantage.


I would rather WIN the strategic battle, after which I have not only my own "many chances," but also the gods of chess on my side.
  
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Re: Leningrad with 7...h6
Reply #10 - 04/03/06 at 12:34:52
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Bein's game is M.Gurevich-S.Pedersen, Ostend 1991. Can't help thinking that perhaps the highest-rated ever Leningrad Dutch player wasn't the best customer for such a move which attempts to take advantage of White's assumed lack of general Leningrad culture, but of course any variation may be dificult against such a player.
  
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Reply #9 - 04/03/06 at 09:28:31
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Beim thinks the move is premature, and suggest  8 d5 or 8 Qc2. But as he also writes "  in such a complicated game, even when u have lost the strategic battle, u still have many chances, and herein lies the attractiveness of the leningrad dutch."

So, i think it is worth trying, as your opponent in a single game for sure will not have an easy road, and he surely wont have studied the move, giving u a psychological advantage.
  
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Re: Leningrad with 7...h6
Reply #8 - 03/31/06 at 15:43:04
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There's some analysis of 7...h6 in V.Beim's book on the Leningrad Dutch. Don't have it with me now so I can't check what he says.
  
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Re: Leningrad with 7...h6
Reply #7 - 03/31/06 at 00:26:05
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Not looked too extensively, but arent you just a tempo down if white pushes for e4? Eg 8 d5 c5 9 Qc2?
  
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Reply #6 - 03/30/06 at 19:35:11
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I doubt in the objective strength of h6, as the old fashioned plan, h6-g5, has gone out of use for many leningrad players. But it is playable of course.
  
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Re: Leningrad with 7...h6
Reply #5 - 03/30/06 at 11:51:30
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Well duh!  You'd think I'd never seen a page where you had to scroll down before.  Putting aside my stupidty for the moment I suppose that one game doesn't tell us much about 7...h6.  Have you tried looking this up on any databases?  I also wondered if Black could have tried the typical development ...Na6 and ...Nc7 (after ...c5, d5), although his ...Nbd7, ...Ne5 worked in the game.



Had a look in the base, there's only about 30 games and black doesn't score too well in the high rated encounters, but that could be because white was the stronger player. Lindberg seems to have picked up the line after losing to it in Bergen 2001. 

One point with 7...h6 may be to make white transpose to the 7.d5 c5 variation - where Na6, Nc7 etc playing for b5 or just a Na6 gate keeper and k-side activity with Qe8 etc are the normal plans for black.
  
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Re: Leningrad with 7...h6
Reply #4 - 03/30/06 at 01:01:13
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Well duh!  You'd think I'd never seen a page where you had to scroll down before.  Putting aside my stupidty for the moment I suppose that one game doesn't tell us much about 7...h6.  Have you tried looking this up on any databases?  I also wondered if Black could have tried the typical development ...Na6 and ...Nc7 (after ...c5, d5), although his ...Nbd7, ...Ne5 worked in the game.
  
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Re: Leningrad with 7...h6
Reply #3 - 03/29/06 at 09:13:23
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7...h6 looks like a nice aggressive way to for Black to avoid theory and pose his opponent fresh problems.  I went to play through the game with the address you gave though and it was an Exchange variation of the QGD.


You have to scroll down a few games to reach it, as there's all games from round 10 on that page, but it's near the top of the page...
  
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Re: Leningrad with 7...h6
Reply #2 - 03/29/06 at 05:56:34
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u have to scroll down to reach the game...

Dont really know what to think yet, but it feels a bit strange to play h6 before Qe8....
  
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Re: Leningrad with 7...h6
Reply #1 - 03/29/06 at 00:41:36
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7...h6 looks like a nice aggressive way to for Black to avoid theory and pose his opponent fresh problems.  I went to play through the game with the address you gave though and it was an Exchange variation of the QGD.
  
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Leningrad with 7...h6
03/28/06 at 10:59:35
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Just wondering what people think of 7...h6, avoiding main line theory and getting a typical middlegame with a more flexible queen perhaps? I suppose it may be mostly an alternative for 7...Qe8 aficionados, as h6+g5 paves the way for an eventual Qe8-h5.

Here's a recent example from the swedish team finals 17-19/3

Osmani Penalver (2235)
Bo Lindberg (2493)

Elit(Limhamn-Sollentuna) (10)
2006

1. d4 f5 2. c4 Sf6 3. Sf3 g6 4. g3 Lg7 5. Lg2 O-O 6. O-O d6 7. Sc3 h6 8. d5 c5 9. Tb1 g5 10. h4 g4 11. Se1 Sbd7 12. Sd3 Tb8 13. Sf4 Se5 14. b3 a6 15. a4 De8 16. Se6 Lxe6 17. dxe6 Dc8 18. Ld5 Sh5 19. Dc2 f4 20. Se4 De8 21. Sxd6 exd6 22. e7+ Tf7 23. Df5 Sf6 24. Lxf7+ Dxf7 25. Lxf4 Sh5 26. Dxf7+ Kxf7 27. Tbd1 Kxe7 etc (black eventually won a long ending R vs R+B)

You can play thru the game here: http://www.schackforum.se/Partier/elit0506-r10.html

& download it here: http://www.schack.se/ap/index.html
  
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