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Re: Kramnik - Topalov
Reply #16 - 04/27/06 at 14:47:25
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If he wants to play Deep Blue/Deep Fritz or Deep whatever after a proper match then let him, frankly who cares, whats important is he plays Topalov, and I suspect his preparation for Deep whatever is out the window now - more important things to consider, like Toppy!
  
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Reply #15 - 04/25/06 at 12:05:52
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Ay, yes. I only noticed 'Deep'... It's when you read a book and skip Karpov when you read Anatoly. We all are very much aware of Kramnik's slow 'recovery time' after each match. It would have been wonderful to see him in the previously concluded FIDE World Championship...
  
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Reply #14 - 04/24/06 at 16:40:15
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Not Deep Blue but Deep Fritz Wink
  
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Reply #13 - 04/24/06 at 13:02:20
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Remember, Kramnik will be playing Deep Blue not long after. 24 games might have been considered but it certainly wouldn't favor Kramnik.
  
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Re: Kramnik - Topalov
Reply #12 - 04/22/06 at 20:01:11
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For those who are interested, Bessel Kok has replied to the announcement of the reunification match.  it can be read at chessbase.com .
  
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Re: Kramnik - Topalov
Reply #11 - 04/18/06 at 11:41:39
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chessy wrote on 04/18/06 at 08:51:29:

But just in case, what would happen if this 4  25-min. games also end 2-2?


I think 4 games of rapid is also too few. Oh Well! If that's the way the organiser's want it...... Tongue

In the event of a 2-2 tie, I think logically speaking a sudden death rapid or classical time control play-off might be on the cards. Take football for instance. There had been golden goal rules - the team which scores  1st during extra time wins the match. That is a kind of sudden death. Or in the event that after extra time the score is still level we have penalty kicks. If after penalties it is still a tie, we have sudden death penalties.

The other alternative would be to have another 4 or so games, but in blitz!! (5mins or less) Shocked That is bound to produce a winner as the stronger blitz player will always win. Just because a player is THE best in normal time controls, does not necessarily mean that he is also the best in blitz!! Blitz is a different ball game altogether.
  

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Re: Kramnik - Topalov
Reply #10 - 04/18/06 at 08:51:29
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Kramnik with artritis in a rapid games.... Well if he wants to win this match he should fight and decide the match in the first 12 games.

But just in case, what would happen if this 4  25-min. games also end 2-2?
  
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Re: Kramnik - Topalov
Reply #9 - 04/17/06 at 18:53:09
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A tie will be broken by 4 25-minute games...

I still prefer the longer match.  Even with the quick draws, there were some important debates in the openings throughout.  Just refer to Tal's book on his match with Botvinnik, and his fear that maybe the Caro-Kann was impenetrable.  The whole point was that White had to prove that Black's play was wrong and Black defied White to find the right path.  Some simple draws? yes; boring draws?  no.
  

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Re: Kramnik - Topalov
Reply #8 - 04/17/06 at 03:29:36
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Kirsan has probably just won re-election as FIDE president.  He's officially announced the 12-game match between Topalov and Kramnik.  The loser of the match doesn't even get to play in the 8-player World Championship in Mexico, but gets to play in "the World Cup" instead.  If Kirsan the Kriminal can make this happen, Bessel Kok won't have any chance at all of winning the FIDE election.

So, as happy as I am to see the match scheduled, I still want Kirsan to leave chess.  His tainted money may have fueled some fantastic tournaments, but at tremendous social costs that should embarrass all chess players and fans.
  
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Re: Kramnik - Topalov
Reply #7 - 04/17/06 at 02:51:39
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Woofwoof, 

Take a look at the matches involving Petrosian, Botvinnik and Spassky.  There were indeed several quick draws.  Even the Karpov-Korchnoi matches had a few "GM" draws, and they hated each other.   

However, I don't mind having a few quick draws if it means that the player who wins the first game doesn't just win the match by playing defence.  In the six game matches, that has happened far more often than the rather innocuous problem of getting a few days' rest.  Fischer's remarkable 6-0 runs were only possible because his opponents were playing from behind in each of those short matches.

Having said all that, I have to bow to the statisticians (especially Jeff Sonas and Yasser Seirawan) who have pointed out that the winner of a six game match would be just as legitimate as the winner of a 24 game match.  Let's just get a match scheduled!  (That is, if Kramnik regains his health.)
  
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Re: Kramnik - Topalov
Reply #6 - 04/16/06 at 15:38:38
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With 24 games, each game becomes less important, and both players become more willing to agree to quick draws.


I dont think so. if we look at Wch history from Botvinnik to Fischer-all involving the 24 game format, there were no quick or routine draws; especially Fischer-Spasky 1972. All or most games were pretty hard fought including the drawn ones. However when the 1st to win 6 games format came into the picture we saw GK employing them (quick draws) as a match strategy to exhaust Karpov who was already within a point of clinching a title. When fatigue set it Karpov started losing games before the match was abandoned. But when AK-GK was replayed in a 24 game format, the fight was on again.

All these quick draws was also apparent in GK-Kramnik matches, & quite a nomber of kramnik games so far. In recent years also quick draws to husband strength in long tournaments has become increasingly prevalent. Its really an attitude that needs to be eradicated to maintain playing standards in today's game. Chess is meant to be a fight, let it always remain so.
  

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Reply #5 - 04/16/06 at 14:30:08
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With 24 games, each game becomes less important, and both players become more willing to agree to quick draws.  Boring.  Seven games would be my choice, with the champion having white in game one and game seven.  The importance of each game is increased.  If tied after 7 games, go to sudden death overtime, whoever wins first is the champ.
  
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Re: Kramnik - Topalov
Reply #4 - 04/16/06 at 13:20:01
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Marginally.  It's just not terribly satisfying.  I would have preferred a 24-game match (maybe even broken into thirds at different venues if sponsorship was an issue) or the first to 6 wins (because we really do need a winner here, don't we?)...
  

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Re: Kramnik - Topalov
Reply #3 - 04/16/06 at 08:26:23
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Surely a rapid/blitz tiebreak is still preferable to tossing a coin?
  
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Re: Kramnik - Topalov
Reply #2 - 04/16/06 at 06:09:35
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yes. 12 games is short. I still prefer the old 24 game format. That would be a sterner test physically, mentally & psychlogically for both players. But then again, if we look at all the PCA & Braingames WCh matches, they were all following the 'short' format. I'm not sure....just maybe its one of the conditions laid down by the Kramnik camp, readily accepted by FIDE in their attempt to make chess 'faster' apart from their shorter time control measures, so that there would be greater TV coverage.

Since its a reunification match -either Topa or Kramnik becomes the legitimate WCh should they win. but does anyone have any idea what will happen if its a 6-6 tie? Or does it go into rapid/blitz tiebreaks?? Tongue If so...then this would be among the cheapest titles ever. Certainly not good for world chess.
  

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