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Re: Best versus Noteboom?
Reply #5 - 05/10/06 at 12:21:02
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Having just finished writing a d4 repertoire book which was supposed to devote itself to main lines, I have just had to investigate this question, and like Inn2, my impression is that the big boys simply don't allow the Abrahams. I don't know of any significant games in the deep line played in Neverov-Kramnik and someone-Scherbakov since the mid-90s, and nothing much in the main line as a whole. The Marshall Gambit is actually much the most popular method of avoiding it. But of course you need to be ready for Black starting with either ...a6 or ...c6. If like me you have Nf3 in in one case and Nc3 in the other, you need two systems, and Nc3/e4 or Nf3/Qc2 are the obvious two, I suppose (these are what my book touts).


Yes.  Not long ago I played the Marshall Gambit with Ba5 in a CC game, played weakly, lost, and was delighted later when I opened my NIC Yearbook and saw that my opponent had a long letter published about his fancy win.  Then the very next yearbook featured an article that also cited my bad play.  You could call that chess justice, I suppose.

But yes, I do think that the Marshall is very promising for White.   

In one recent CC game I gambitted with 3. Nf3 c6  4. g3 bxc4  5. Bg2 b5  6. 0-0 and so forth, and won a nice game.
  
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Re: Best versus Noteboom?
Reply #4 - 05/10/06 at 12:00:12
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Having just finished writing a d4 repertoire book which was supposed to devote itself to main lines, I have just had to investigate this question, and like Inn2, my impression is that the big boys simply don't allow the Abrahams. I don't know of any significant games in the deep line played in Neverov-Kramnik and someone-Scherbakov since the mid-90s, and nothing much in the main line as a whole. The Marshall Gambit is actually much the most popular method of avoiding it. But of course you need to be ready for Black starting with either ...a6 or ...c6. If like me you have Nf3 in in one case and Nc3 in the other, you need two systems, and Nc3/e4 or Nf3/Qc2 are the obvious two, I suppose (these are what my book touts).
  
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Re: Best versus Noteboom?
Reply #3 - 05/10/06 at 11:58:44
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just did a search though Chess Informants of past several years, it appears main line with 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 c6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Bb4 6. e3 b5 7. Bd2 a5 8. axb5 Bxc3 9. Bxc3 cxb5 10. b3 Bb7 11. bxc4 b4 12. Bb2 Nf6 13. Bd3 O-O 14. O-O Nbd7 15. Re1 is still popular, so perhaps not exhausted yet, but other 15th moves are gaining in popularity, especially 15. Nd2.

Also noticed M. Carlsen-A. Kosteniuk Corus B '05 where White played 5. g3 and won handily.
  
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Re: Best versus Noteboom?
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it appears GMs don't allow the noteboom nowadays, perhaps its sound after all, my impression is that the most popular lines are:
(i)  1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 e6 4. e3
(ii) 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 e6 4. e4 
(iii) 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 e6 4. Qc2 

think most recent NIC yb survey on Noteboom was published a few years ago by Beliavsky in vol. 63 (or thereabouts)... can't remember what it says though.
  
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Re: Best versus Noteboom?
Reply #1 - 05/10/06 at 02:11:07
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A quick glance teached me, that the big boys play about every legal move against the Noteboom. From a practical point of view 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c6 4.Qc2 always looked annoying to me, as Black's best seems to be Nf6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Nc3 transposing to the Meran. But as you prefer the Exchange Slav this might not suit you either.
  
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Best versus Noteboom?
05/09/06 at 20:30:48
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Can anyone tell me what the big boys are playing against the Noteboom these days?  Or just, what are your thoughts on the best way to meet it?
  
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